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church on the game-changer radio network

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I need your help to get to the year

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you are listening to fade to black with

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yeah it is even better than that it's

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Wednesday July 18th to our 2018 rice 200

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days into the new year just 165 days

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left we are live from a bunker somewhere

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in beautiful downtown Burbank California

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and I would like to welcome everybody

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listening all around the world all

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across the United States hither and

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thither to and throw back and forth up

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far and near

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this is fade to black for kjc are the

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I'm your host Jimmy Church what is Co

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rockin how are you it's going to be one

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of those nights that we've had an

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amazing week here another amazing week

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here on fader block and tonight tonight

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we have two very special guests we have

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the creators of the hit film The Endless

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first time so you know what that means

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but this film and I knew it when I saw

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it and read it turns to me and she goes

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boxes right okay we've got that we've

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got that we've got that we've got that

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portals or time travel or science or

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nuts in my little pre-roll on the show

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tonight on the bunker cam the one of the

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Hollywood and that's that I'm able to

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well I'm able to do that and you as this

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audience and the fader knots you get to

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participate in that and that's that's

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what is so cool about doing this show

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because I'm able to talk about film and

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time-travel in music and food and

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Captain Crunch and I really appreciate

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that too as well and and we all get to

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do this together so that's what we're

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Justin Benson and Aaron Moorhead are

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here the film is the endless and I know

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that many of you went out and watched

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the film because I told you to when I

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recommend something you you know that

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it's it's it's being recommended but the

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other part is you now know that they

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were gonna be on the show and so you had

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to go and do some homework you had to go

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and get educated and you did tonight

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it's Justin Benson and Aaron Moorhead

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tomorrow night is another Fator night

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Jon Rappoport is back from his road

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research so we will find out what our

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producer at large has been out there

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doing and that will be tomorrow night

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followed by open lines all night long

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little programming note I won't be doing

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coast to coast this weekend as you

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notice I took a little bit of a break

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after the last couple of months of no

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days off and no weekends off whatsoever

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I needed to you know recharge and now

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I'm feeling pretty good so I'll be back

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hosting coast-to-coast

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next weekend and then we head into

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some coast to coast states squeezed in

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between the other weekend's where Reid

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and I will be traveling

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and so there you go so we'll make all of

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those announcements next week who what

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create and you post it it goes up there

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alongside with everybody else you have

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equal footing to be read and your

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thoughts can get out there whatever it

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this addiction of just sitting there and

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European Union's legislative body

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demanded Google pay four point three

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four billion euros and if you're doing

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the math that is five point six billion

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dollars for violating antitrust laws

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specifically the Commission accused

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operating system to force the Google

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this so they could license Google's

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last year the very same

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commissioned the very fine

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three billion dollars came down last

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up for the exact same thing from the

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same commission this year five billion

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dollar fine there you go

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get it there and that's from hazard ok

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let's get this show cracking happy

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birthday to today Richard Branson

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Richard Branson is 68 yes virgin and I

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get all of that and Virgin Galactic

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can space trips and everything that he's

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got going on but that's not why he makes

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the list he makes the list because he

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brought us to sex pistols happy birthday

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Richard Branson also today one of the

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Great's System of a Down guitarists

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Daron Malakian today is 43 lives right

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here in Burbank

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by the way our dead guys birthday today

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Hunter s Thompson 1929 to 2005 died at

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the age of 76 his 1970 the Kentucky

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Derby is decadent and depraved article

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was hailed as a landmark in journalism

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one of the editors dubbed the new style

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gonzo and he had his own new nickname

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which did stick in 1972

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Thompson's Fear and Loathing in Las

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Vegas became a best-seller as did his

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1972 book fear and loathing on the

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campaign trail about the Nixon McGovern

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presidential election Thompson died at

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his home in Woody Creek Colorado on

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February 20th 2005 of a self-inflicted

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gunshot wound to the head he is one of

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the few that I've always wanted to

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interview and couldn't and the others on

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top of the list bill Cooper and Lloyd

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Pye happy birthday

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Hunter s Thompson on this day in history

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oh TD it happened 1984 I've talked about

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it on this show many times 1984 James

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Oliver Huberty opens up a fire in a

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crowded McDonald's restaurant in San

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Ysidro California killing 21 people

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wounding 19 others with several

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automatic weapons minutes earlier

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Huberty had left his phone left his home

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and telling his wife and kids that I'm

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going hunting hunting for humans on this

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day in 1980

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for Fader fact I should hold this off no

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I'm doing it for Justin and Erin yeah

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okay I'm just gonna do it now I'll hit

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him with us during the show though

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the first film with a 100 million dollar

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budget was I'm gonna leave that up to

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Twitter right there let's see who pops

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at first and Twitter all right what was

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the first film with a 100 million dollar

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budget okay

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all right let's see who's first okay all

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right tonight very special guests we

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have Justin Benson and Aaron Moorhead

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here the film The Endless is absolutely

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phenomenal it's it's all of that I

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haven't been able to really find a

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criticism for the film if you know what

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I mean I have been able to do that it's

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it's a really great picture you need to

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check it out it is called the endless

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the reviews are in go and check it out

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and we are going to talk about all

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aspects of the film and of course the

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lives of Justin and Aaron in just a few

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short minutes

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tomorrow night's another Fator night

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open lines all night long and we've got

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Jon Rappoport here with his no more fake

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newsroom live now I wanted to talk about

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this as I hit that coffee there are so

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many reasons why I do what I do today

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there are so many reasons for that

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and as I danced through my man-crazy

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life colorful crazy and and went through

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the things that I went through to make

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me who I am today and you have done your

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things that made you you and I did all

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of those things and having parents that

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were musicians and living that lifestyle

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at a very young age and being exposed to

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the world like I was at a very young age

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not only brought the elements of music

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and creativity and art into my life but

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but it was UFOs and as I danced through

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and I went through an every chance that

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I got going down that road I would stop

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little roadside here little roadside

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there little to you a phobic here and

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experience and another one across the

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street and a friend and and I never

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stopped I never did

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I kept UFOs right there and the the

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amount of there were there were in the

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70s and in the 80s there were a lot of

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books that were available and there were

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a few magazines and I collected

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everything that I could I would walk

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into a bookstore go to the UFO section

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grab a few books put him on the counter

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buy him take him home and I did it

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constantly I did it at every phase of my

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life I was gifted books and I did

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nothing but the research and Omni

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magazine covering UFOs once a while I

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grabbed those issues and I put that into

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the pile and that would read and study

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read and study read read read and then a

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weird thing happened of in in the 90s

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and it was called the Internet and I've

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talked about this a few times but I went

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and this was 19 1994 and I go to work

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for alesis and alesis when I was hired

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there they got me gave me a laptop and

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the laptop 1.0 okay this is very early

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on I had a you know a couple of desktop

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computers and things but at that point

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there was no AOL there was the internet

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signing on and getting a modem was a

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really big deal those didn't come with a

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computer

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and back then you had to get a PCMCIA

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card that plugged into your computer and

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you had a little modem jack that popped

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out of it and you can plug your phone

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into it and then you had to somehow sign

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on for whatever and and back then the

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laptop was used for company email and we

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used Lotus 1-2-3 I think that that was

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our email at that time so long ago and I

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had a black and white LCD laptop color

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screens hadn't even happened yet and so

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think about this so I got this laptop

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and I got this black and white color

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screen and and I start my quest and my

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journey to get on to the Internet and I

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had a couple of friends that told me how

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to do it and they came over to my house

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and we somehow configured and and found

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someplace to dial into it's so funny now

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but then going on in and and trying to

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find information about UFOs and that was

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my goal that was my goal and I was able

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to figure out a way to surf the net and

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the Mozilla had come out I mean a mosaic

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I don't think Netscape was quite out yet

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but things were happening pretty fast

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but there weren't websites out there you

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know and you could get a web address

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somebody would give you a website

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address and you could type it in and go

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there and actually see a web page right

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and it was rare I mean it was rare well

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anyway and this is what I wanted to get

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to as I was going through all of those

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phases art bell and and coast to coast

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is happening as everybody famously knows

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by now talked about so much it was

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across the street from where I lived and

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literally across the street you can hit

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the coast-to-coast studios with a rock

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and not even have to throw it that hard

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right across the street anyway

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back to my point during this early time

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the the revelations that were coming out

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on coast to coast am were were one after

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another you had Hoagland in the face on

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Mars and you had Bob Lazar Roswell was

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just creeping in you certainly had the

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mj-12 stuff and these one story after

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another was breaking and then there was

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Heaven's Gate okay

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and when Heaven's Gate happened the it

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was one of those moments that I saw it

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on the news

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I'm sitting in my living room and in my

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living room I've got a desk and I've got

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my my laptop sitting there and I'm

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sitting at the desk and and the TV's out

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in the background I've got the news on

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it I hear this the story break about

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Heaven's Gate and I turned around and

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and watch that and then I spun around on

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my laptop and looked up Heaven's Gate

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check out their website now this was mid

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1996 1997 and you have to remember what

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the internet was about and to have an a

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website those early days was a really

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big deal I go and there's the website

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and I started surfing and then it all

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came together for me the stuff that art

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Bell had been talking about over the I

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don't know if it was quite a year but

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certainly he was talking about hale-bopp

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and and all of these elements about it

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and I'm reading what's going on in the

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Heaven's Gate website and the fact that

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you know 40 people just died in San

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Diego and committed suicide over a comet

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and a UFO right

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well this was a really big story and

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this was all part of what was going on

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in ufology at that time not only with

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with coast to coast but the Heaven's

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Gate story and was was part of the UFO

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community because of all the elements

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about it right so anyway this guy

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Marshall Applewhite headed a death a UFO

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death cult and the story was so dark for

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me so dark that after it kind of blew

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over I didn't go back and I remember

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trying to think about it or trying to

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talk about it with friends I just didn't

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do it if the story bothered me too much

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and I didn't want to be with my friends

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look at like I was one of these common

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hale-bopp guys so I had to let it go and

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and I felt really strange about it

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I remember going back like a year later

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and I think the Heaven's Gate site was

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still live and I went and checked it out

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and I went through and I looked at the

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videos again and I thought and now I

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read everything about Marshall

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Applewhite everything about his entire

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career and the things that he had talked

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about and and how could you get 40

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people together to believe in you to

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rent this huge mansion have everybody

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work for you and then just one day get

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talked into committing suicide how is

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that possible well it did happen I let

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it go and this was 20 years ago 20 years

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ago now enter the film the endless as

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the endless and we're gonna talk to

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Justin and Erin about this Heaven's Gate

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had such an effect on me that when I

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watch the film the endless and how these

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ideals and ideas about a ported UFO

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death cult or how it could be handled or

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house

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society looks at it or how members would

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look at it is expertly done handled

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really really well

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and so when you go and watch the film

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the endless after you're done go back

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and do a little Heaven's Gate research

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and think about the conversation that's

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about to go down tonight with myself

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Justin and Erin it's really strange how

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life comes together all right pay

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attention to those synchronicities you

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never know when they're gonna come back

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at a future time like they are for me

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tonight

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think about that this is fade to black

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I am your host Jimmy Turks I'm gonna

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take a quick short break and I'll be

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right back with our guest Justin Benson

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and Aaron Moorhead fade to black in the

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game changer network and K GRA the

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planet can follow me on twitter at a

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church radio you can follow Justin at

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Justin Benson follow Aaron Moorhead at

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Aaron Huntington Moorhead I'm gonna be

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church I'll be right back stay with me

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Morehead they're both here they are the

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co directing team behind the 2017 ty

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Beckett Film Festival u.s. narrative

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competitor the endless 2014 Toronto

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International Film Festival favorite

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spring as well as the sleeper hit

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resolution we're gonna talk about that

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tonight too as well that premiered at

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the Tribeca Film Festival and took the

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film festival circuit by storm back in

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2012 their films have been widely

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acclaimed by critics and audiences for

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their naturalistic performances dreamy

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cinematography an Ave on guard approach

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in addition to massive video-on-demand

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numbers the endless and spring are

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certified fresh on Rotten Tomatoes and

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resolution remains 100% fresh in the

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wake of being selected as one of variety

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magazines ten directors to watch in 2015

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both Guillermo del Toro and Richard

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Linklater publicly praised their work

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now while the approval of a Linklater

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and del Toro accurately suggests their

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unique grasp of both character and

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fantastical the duo's films have been

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described as quietly mythic

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unpredictable storytelling that won't

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leave you after the viewing well now

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this is the thing they're also known for

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wearing as many hats as possible okay

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they do the writing they do the

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directing the cinematography the editing

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even the visual effects and in the case

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of the endless which really floored me

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they took both of the lead roles well

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tonight we're gonna talk about that new

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film the endless we're gonna talk about

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the science behind the film Supernatural

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et cult time travel elements that are

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all the basis of the film

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they wrote directed edited and shot as

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well as playing those two leads you need

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to check out this website that they have

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got up it's called our multi or

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multiverse Savior dot org and I laugh

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because it's a really cool parody site

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and if we can't laugh at certain things

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then why be here and I would like to

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welcome to fade to black for the first

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time Justin Benson and Aaron Moorhead

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good evening guys how are you

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we're good thank you so much for having

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us this is really this is really

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exciting good now and thank you for

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being here and now the praise of the

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film and the fan boy stuff I'm going to

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try to ignore tonight and let's just try

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to have a conversation but you're also

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both first-time guests so you get the

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first-time guests disclaimer which is

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this it's just you and I the three of us

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sitting on my couch having a

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conversation as friends and where that

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conversation starts it starts where it

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ends it ends both Morgan and his friends

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and it's that simple you guys ready yeah

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okay first so I know whose voice is who

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Justin say hello this is Justin I'm

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saying hello and just to warn you this

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is going to be confusing no matter what

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I know right Aaron Aaron say hello to

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everybody this is Aaron so we have

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vaguely similar voice it's I knew we

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were gonna do this right so there you go

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all right I'm actually gonna start here

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before I ask the the softball questions

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you know how did you guys meet and all

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of that which one of you had the et

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experience first which one of you was

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abducted and we're both abducted at the

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same time into the bosom of cinema okay

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wouldn't it wouldn't that be amazing

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actually I we talked about this semi

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often and we both have neither neither

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of us have had any paranormal experience

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that we can remember at all I think

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right you know other heads I've had

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stuff that I can't I got a lot of stuff

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that I can look at and I can I can talk

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about it but I can't say that there's

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not

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some other explanation but but I can't

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say I'd never excite that there's

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nothing even remotely otherworldly I've

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never experienced I can't say that but

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I've had a lot of things happen it's

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like well there's the student ways look

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at either I experience the otherworldly

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or my brain did something funny well

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Aaron it'll be easier to if I just say

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your names but but Aaron you you wrote

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the film the endless okay hold on I knew

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that see I don't have notes in front of

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me I don't I don't do the show that way

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Justin you wrote the film and the all of

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those elements that I have listed here

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that are involved in this film involve a

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lot of research so you must have been a

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fan of this of the genre all of it for a

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long time

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how did how did you start this this

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journey down the paranormal supernatural

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ET UFO death cult Road oh I mean it goes

727
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back so far to you know when I when I

728
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was a like when I was really little when

729
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I first started for example renting

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movies I really like to experience the

731
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sort of roller coaster through a ride of

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watching sci-fi and and horror films and

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I was very little and I my parents

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didn't have the belief that watching

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like anything would necessarily be bad

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for me and I think I'm fine but but now

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that the interests like a report of a

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reason I gravitated towards those types

739
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of stories I had an older brother that

740
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gave me a very large collection of

741
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Stephen King books and that was really

742
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influential and and then I think having

743
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aspirations of becoming a writer and and

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wanting to sort of write in that realm

745
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of sci-fi and horror and fantasy and all

746
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of that but at the same time being

747
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raised I was raised a theist and what's

748
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interesting about that is that

749
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I think that it made my brain come up

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with like you just invent more

751
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mythologies because you're not

752
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introduced to wonder exposed to one when

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you're very young so when I was writing

754
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I'd just be like inventing these

755
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mythologies that didn't have any basis

756
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in any traditional spirituality and

757
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which one was it Aaron that grew up in

758
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San Diego now that was Justin again that

759
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was Justin again okay

760
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:42,320
so Justin you grew up in San Diego Aaron

761
00:40:47,380 --> 00:40:44,570
really quick where did you grow up I

762
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grew up in a town called Tarpon Springs

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Florida which is if if you know

764
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Clearwater it's near Clearwater and if

765
00:40:55,450 --> 00:40:53,720
you don't know Clearwater it's near

766
00:40:57,599 --> 00:40:55,460
Tampa yeah there you go

767
00:41:01,690 --> 00:40:57,609
I was just there a couple of years ago

768
00:41:03,580 --> 00:41:01,700
okay so I was actually in Clearwater

769
00:41:05,620 --> 00:41:03,590
well I stayed at amp at the airport and

770
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:05,630
then drove to Clearwater every day and

771
00:41:13,810 --> 00:41:10,130
back yeah across that long bridge every

772
00:41:17,650 --> 00:41:13,820
day so adjusting back to you how old

773
00:41:21,790 --> 00:41:17,660
were you when heaven's gate happened do

774
00:41:24,010 --> 00:41:21,800
you remember it I remember it I don't

775
00:41:25,990 --> 00:41:24,020
remember exactly how old I was it just

776
00:41:28,690 --> 00:41:26,000
kind of blurs into my entire childhood

777
00:41:32,380 --> 00:41:28,700
but I remember it when it when it

778
00:41:34,930 --> 00:41:32,390
happened and my dad's a medical tech in

779
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:34,940
San Diego and yet a patient who actually

780
00:41:41,650 --> 00:41:38,410
owned the house that it happened in and

781
00:41:42,910 --> 00:41:41,660
it was a rental property he owned and I

782
00:41:44,530 --> 00:41:42,920
remember my dad coming home from work

783
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:44,540
being like yeah I had this patient and

784
00:41:48,460 --> 00:41:46,010
his thing happening on the news that's

785
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:48,470
how he found out about that happened in

786
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his house literally was watching the

787
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news news like that's my rental property

788
00:41:57,660 --> 00:41:54,920
um and you know a lot of a lot of people

789
00:42:00,099 --> 00:41:57,670
had passed away in that house did you

790
00:42:02,830 --> 00:42:00,109
kind of forget about it and then maybe

791
00:42:04,330 --> 00:42:02,840
as an adult go back and go oh wow that's

792
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:04,340
right that happened right here in San

793
00:42:12,430 --> 00:42:04,850
Diego

794
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:12,440
I don't I mean I fortunately and

795
00:42:19,090 --> 00:42:16,690
unfortunately I sort of obsess over

796
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:19,100
oddities no matter how esoteric I know

797
00:42:23,870 --> 00:42:21,650
this one's not that esoteric but you

798
00:42:25,309 --> 00:42:23,880
know like I would always

799
00:42:27,799 --> 00:42:25,319
never stopped going back to go visit

800
00:42:31,670 --> 00:42:27,809
that website that's still up right that

801
00:42:33,410 --> 00:42:31,680
that like that very like very very very

802
00:42:35,210 --> 00:42:33,420
90s website and I would always show to

803
00:42:38,180 --> 00:42:35,220
people I think I introduced Aaron to it

804
00:42:39,859 --> 00:42:38,190
no no I actually that was one one one of

805
00:42:40,490 --> 00:42:39,869
the few things I knew about but it was

806
00:42:43,789 --> 00:42:40,500
crazy

807
00:42:46,130 --> 00:42:43,799
yeah and see this is the other the other

808
00:42:50,809 --> 00:42:46,140
part and now we're gonna start getting

809
00:42:53,029 --> 00:42:50,819
into the endless here as the story for

810
00:42:56,990 --> 00:42:53,039
the endless came together did you

811
00:42:59,210 --> 00:42:57,000
incorporate Heaven's Gate into it or was

812
00:43:02,990 --> 00:42:59,220
Heaven's Gate the reason why you wrote

813
00:43:04,519 --> 00:43:03,000
the film the two the two main characters

814
00:43:07,609 --> 00:43:04,529
and the endless the characters are just

815
00:43:09,769 --> 00:43:07,619
son Aaron the the guys who it who had

816
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:09,779
fled the cult a decade earlier those two

817
00:43:15,799 --> 00:43:11,130
characters are in our first movie

818
00:43:18,859 --> 00:43:15,809
resolution and when we were making it we

819
00:43:21,589 --> 00:43:18,869
had for a sort of story device reason

820
00:43:23,809 --> 00:43:21,599
that had added several weird characters

821
00:43:27,470 --> 00:43:23,819
in the film that would get flavor and

822
00:43:29,779 --> 00:43:27,480
also just serve the purpose of that

823
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:29,789
oddly taking emphasis off one particular

824
00:43:33,470 --> 00:43:31,410
character in the film and without

825
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:33,480
getting too far into that I think Aaron

826
00:43:37,130 --> 00:43:34,890
and I at the time were just like oh you

827
00:43:41,990 --> 00:43:37,140
know it would be really interesting if

828
00:43:44,450 --> 00:43:42,000
there were like basically a cult out

829
00:43:46,220 --> 00:43:44,460
there around in the story and that we

830
00:43:48,259 --> 00:43:46,230
could just play those characters and we

831
00:43:50,559 --> 00:43:48,269
wouldn't have to drive anyone else out

832
00:43:53,630 --> 00:43:50,569
of the mall know where we were shooting

833
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:53,640
well and so they were that they were

834
00:43:56,990 --> 00:43:54,930
invented right there

835
00:43:58,999 --> 00:43:57,000
and then we just kept talking about the

836
00:44:00,710 --> 00:43:59,009
UFO difficult they were in for years and

837
00:44:02,539 --> 00:44:00,720
years and years and eventually the

838
00:44:06,349 --> 00:44:02,549
Heaven's Gate part just all it became

839
00:44:09,109 --> 00:44:06,359
was that the character of Justin that is

840
00:44:11,420 --> 00:44:09,119
where he he basically what is revealed

841
00:44:14,299 --> 00:44:11,430
as a lie later on the film that's where

842
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:14,309
he got that information from was it he

843
00:44:17,660 --> 00:44:16,170
had he'd probably we never say it out

844
00:44:19,279 --> 00:44:17,670
loud in the film but it was like oh that

845
00:44:21,559 --> 00:44:19,289
that's probably where he got that

846
00:44:24,710 --> 00:44:21,569
information and then how where he found

847
00:44:27,620 --> 00:44:24,720
the elements of that that why she Aaron

848
00:44:31,849 --> 00:44:27,630
should we consider resolution as part

849
00:44:34,069 --> 00:44:31,859
one uh it's interesting one is the first

850
00:44:37,009 --> 00:44:34,079
time I've ever heard it referred to as

851
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:37,019
that the film's completely exist on

852
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:37,290
there

853
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:39,090
you can watch it not even knowing the

854
00:44:46,100 --> 00:44:42,810
other film exists I actually what's

855
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:46,110
interesting is with the release of this

856
00:44:52,940 --> 00:44:48,210
the film The Endless people are

857
00:44:54,830 --> 00:44:52,950
discovering discovering our work but but

858
00:44:56,270 --> 00:44:54,840
they you know the the endless seems to

859
00:44:59,420 --> 00:44:56,280
kind of linger with people in it in a

860
00:45:01,130 --> 00:44:59,430
really interesting way and and when they

861
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:01,140
find out that our first movie which was

862
00:45:06,770 --> 00:45:04,890
a tiny 20 thousand dollar film we find

863
00:45:10,460 --> 00:45:06,780
out that that exists and exists in the

864
00:45:12,620 --> 00:45:10,470
same universe and I don't know yet which

865
00:45:15,110 --> 00:45:12,630
order is better to experience them

866
00:45:17,330 --> 00:45:15,120
people who saw resolution five years ago

867
00:45:19,940 --> 00:45:17,340
if they caught it you know 3:00 a.m. on

868
00:45:22,070 --> 00:45:19,950
Showtime or whatever and they forgot

869
00:45:23,660 --> 00:45:22,080
about it it might be more interesting if

870
00:45:25,430 --> 00:45:23,670
you then see the endless and feel like

871
00:45:27,260 --> 00:45:25,440
oh I've seen this movie before this is

872
00:45:28,940 --> 00:45:27,270
really crazy I don't know how that's

873
00:45:31,790 --> 00:45:28,950
possible

874
00:45:34,070 --> 00:45:31,800
but there's also a whole lot of people

875
00:45:37,430 --> 00:45:34,080
who are discovering resolution and and

876
00:45:39,410 --> 00:45:37,440
could almost see that as the not the

877
00:45:41,420 --> 00:45:39,420
sequel exactly but more like a prequel

878
00:45:42,950 --> 00:45:41,430
to the endless but but but they don't

879
00:45:46,100 --> 00:45:42,960
they don't exist in any particular order

880
00:45:47,420 --> 00:45:46,110
and and on top of that they exist

881
00:45:48,620 --> 00:45:47,430
completely on their own because when we

882
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:48,630
made resolution we didn't even know if

883
00:45:53,450 --> 00:45:51,210
we'd ever get to make a movie again so

884
00:45:55,460 --> 00:45:53,460
that that did not there was never

885
00:45:57,470 --> 00:45:55,470
intended to be another movie and then

886
00:46:04,430 --> 00:45:57,480
the endless is is a completely different

887
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:04,440
facet of the mythology so so if you're

888
00:46:07,820 --> 00:46:06,090
watching the endless and you think wow

889
00:46:09,410 --> 00:46:07,830
this scene is a little bit bigger than

890
00:46:11,660 --> 00:46:09,420
than what I'm seeing right here on

891
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:11,670
screen then good news there's a movie

892
00:46:15,740 --> 00:46:13,290
called resolution that might help you

893
00:46:18,290 --> 00:46:15,750
out a little bit but but otherwise you

894
00:46:19,970 --> 00:46:18,300
could finish read the endless without

895
00:46:20,510 --> 00:46:19,980
feeling like you like you've missed

896
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:20,520
anything

897
00:46:29,690 --> 00:46:25,530
our the two of you I'm Lena Hema so just

898
00:46:33,710 --> 00:46:29,700
answered that was there I'm gonna ask

899
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:33,720
Justin are the two of you now dealing

900
00:46:40,190 --> 00:46:37,770
with big agencies are you know are you

901
00:46:44,570 --> 00:46:40,200
are you taking those meetings are you

902
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:44,580
guys you know you know the flavor of the

903
00:46:49,190 --> 00:46:47,610
month is is it like being shot out of a

904
00:46:53,069 --> 00:46:49,200
cannon

905
00:46:56,750 --> 00:46:53,079
not really I mean in the case of all

906
00:46:59,609 --> 00:46:56,760
three movies there there's always been

907
00:47:01,109 --> 00:46:59,619
you know some more meetings around the

908
00:47:05,460 --> 00:47:01,119
time that they premiere at the film

909
00:47:07,650 --> 00:47:05,470
festival or when the actual you know

910
00:47:10,109 --> 00:47:07,660
official distribution happens which is

911
00:47:11,970 --> 00:47:10,119
very recently with the endless yeah that

912
00:47:16,349 --> 00:47:11,980
there's always more meetings and that

913
00:47:20,849 --> 00:47:16,359
there's always some opportunities but

914
00:47:24,089 --> 00:47:20,859
usually I mean it's it's but it if your

915
00:47:29,069 --> 00:47:24,099
desire is as a filmmaker to tell unique

916
00:47:30,990 --> 00:47:29,079
stories and and if the you know if your

917
00:47:32,970 --> 00:47:31,000
point of making these indie films was

918
00:47:35,339 --> 00:47:32,980
not just so you could go for example

919
00:47:37,020 --> 00:47:35,349
make you know King Kong or whatever at

920
00:47:38,609 --> 00:47:37,030
the point was you really enjoy telling

921
00:47:40,109 --> 00:47:38,619
you stories about human beings and you

922
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:40,119
wanted to be innovative with the

923
00:47:44,550 --> 00:47:42,010
mythology and the sci-fi aspect and all

924
00:47:46,349 --> 00:47:44,560
that stuff if that's what you did it

925
00:47:48,450 --> 00:47:46,359
there aren't a lot of opportunities that

926
00:47:50,430 --> 00:47:48,460
come your way that allow you to take

927
00:47:53,430 --> 00:47:50,440
that to the next level that someone else

928
00:47:55,140 --> 00:47:53,440
is going to provide for you you need to

929
00:47:59,760 --> 00:47:55,150
continue to find ways to make that stuff

930
00:48:01,950 --> 00:47:59,770
kind of on your own for the most part it

931
00:48:05,490 --> 00:48:01,960
you know doing three movies it's almost

932
00:48:08,430 --> 00:48:05,500
like well each time the probability gets

933
00:48:11,630 --> 00:48:08,440
bigger that that more people know that

934
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:11,640
your stuff exists you have clout and

935
00:48:15,809 --> 00:48:13,930
hopefully you've gotten some some fans

936
00:48:17,970 --> 00:48:15,819
along the way that are people that can

937
00:48:22,740 --> 00:48:17,980
empower you to do bigger projects that

938
00:48:24,089 --> 00:48:22,750
you really believe in but but you know

939
00:48:26,490 --> 00:48:24,099
and in our case it's like if our

940
00:48:27,930 --> 00:48:26,500
ambition by making indie films was to go

941
00:48:30,410 --> 00:48:27,940
make a like a zombie movie for example

942
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:30,420
we could have done that six years ago

943
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:32,290
those opportunities have always been

944
00:48:37,620 --> 00:48:35,650
there so it's yeah it's it's interesting

945
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:37,630
it's like a you know the movie comes out

946
00:48:47,490 --> 00:48:39,130
there's some more meetings but it's not

947
00:48:51,900 --> 00:48:47,500
like it yeah it's it's it's it doesn't

948
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:51,910
change our lives a lot who who gets who

949
00:48:57,990 --> 00:48:53,770
gets the last word when it comes to

950
00:49:01,500 --> 00:48:58,000
directing do you guys fight no it's this

951
00:49:02,670 --> 00:49:01,510
really weird thing where if if we did

952
00:49:04,980 --> 00:49:02,680
fight

953
00:49:06,720 --> 00:49:04,990
often we just wouldn't be co-directors

954
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:06,730
we'd be making our own movies and and

955
00:49:17,720 --> 00:49:09,850
and that seems like bald obvious to me

956
00:49:22,260 --> 00:49:17,730
but this is this is Aaron but the we

957
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:22,270
disagree it's rare but it but it comes

958
00:49:26,010 --> 00:49:24,370
down to a fight extraordinarily rarely

959
00:49:27,900 --> 00:49:26,020
the only times I can remember fighting

960
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:27,910
with Justin are like interpersonal stuff

961
00:49:30,510 --> 00:49:29,170
where it's just like yeah you spend

962
00:49:32,550 --> 00:49:30,520
enough time with someone you start you

963
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:32,560
fight every six months or so at the very

964
00:49:38,970 --> 00:49:36,610
minimum but but when it comes to

965
00:49:42,150 --> 00:49:38,980
directing choices we're there's this

966
00:49:46,410 --> 00:49:42,160
there's this very intimate assumed

967
00:49:48,750 --> 00:49:46,420
respect of us both trying to make the

968
00:49:50,340 --> 00:49:48,760
same movie we know that that it's not

969
00:49:52,980 --> 00:49:50,350
like there's Aaron's movie and Justin's

970
00:49:54,780 --> 00:49:52,990
movie and and what we end up with is

971
00:49:58,290 --> 00:49:54,790
in-between that's not the case

972
00:50:00,510 --> 00:49:58,300
it is very much us are we're both very

973
00:50:04,980 --> 00:50:00,520
much trying to make the exact same movie

974
00:50:07,020 --> 00:50:04,990
and so we're the disagreements come up

975
00:50:10,140 --> 00:50:07,030
about how to get there and they're very

976
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:10,150
rare and it's creepy to a lot of people

977
00:50:16,500 --> 00:50:13,210
especially our actors to just see how

978
00:50:18,690 --> 00:50:16,510
much we don't disagree and nobody's a

979
00:50:21,630 --> 00:50:18,700
pushover Justin's not a pushover I hope

980
00:50:24,030 --> 00:50:21,640
I'm not a pushover it's just that we are

981
00:50:27,450 --> 00:50:24,040
both very very in sync we both love the

982
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:27,460
same stuff we listen to the same kind of

983
00:50:31,830 --> 00:50:29,770
music and and watch the same kind of

984
00:50:34,470 --> 00:50:31,840
movies and listen the same kind of radio

985
00:50:36,570 --> 00:50:34,480
and we're intrigued by the same ideas

986
00:50:43,470 --> 00:50:36,580
and we're scared by the same ideas and

987
00:50:45,420 --> 00:50:43,480
so we on set there's not there's not

988
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:45,430
someone who's like the primary director

989
00:50:51,540 --> 00:50:48,490
and the sub director it's it's just if

990
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:51,550
we aren't finding it and we're really

991
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:53,530
disagreeing on something again which is

992
00:50:57,720 --> 00:50:55,690
rare but if it happens we realize that

993
00:50:59,400 --> 00:50:57,730
neither of us have the answer there's a

994
00:51:01,320 --> 00:50:59,410
third answer out there that we haven't

995
00:51:03,210 --> 00:51:01,330
found yet so it's never a compromise

996
00:51:05,610 --> 00:51:03,220
it's actually always just two people

997
00:51:08,580 --> 00:51:05,620
trying to find the same point well and

998
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:08,590
then Aaron if you're the cinematographer

999
00:51:16,529 --> 00:51:11,170
and the director then you get two votes

1000
00:51:20,059 --> 00:51:16,539
right because is

1001
00:51:23,849 --> 00:51:20,069
is a beautiful craft and and also art

1002
00:51:26,489 --> 00:51:23,859
but but ultimately the direction of the

1003
00:51:27,989 --> 00:51:26,499
film the the Scimitar afee is just a

1004
00:51:30,329 --> 00:51:27,999
service of the direction of the film

1005
00:51:31,439 --> 00:51:30,339
that's at least my own my own perception

1006
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:31,449
and I really hope there aren't a bunch

1007
00:51:35,539 --> 00:51:33,130
of cinematographers crumpling their coke

1008
00:51:38,489 --> 00:51:35,549
cans out there listening to me talk but

1009
00:51:40,620 --> 00:51:38,499
but it's a it's an art and it's a craft

1010
00:51:45,089 --> 00:51:40,630
but it's always in service of the end

1011
00:51:47,579 --> 00:51:45,099
goal and and so you know if Justin tells

1012
00:51:49,409 --> 00:51:47,589
me I'm doing a shot wrong it's it's

1013
00:51:52,380 --> 00:51:49,419
something we're again we're very in sync

1014
00:51:54,779 --> 00:51:52,390
so if it's that rare I just listen for

1015
00:51:56,999 --> 00:51:54,789
the most part I just think oh man I must

1016
00:51:58,890 --> 00:51:57,009
be really blowing something and and and

1017
00:52:00,689 --> 00:51:58,900
vice versa he's right there I mean if

1018
00:52:03,359 --> 00:52:00,699
Justin if Justin will hold the camera

1019
00:52:05,189 --> 00:52:03,369
he'd be the DP so I'm not I'm not sure

1020
00:52:08,909 --> 00:52:05,199
if I'm buying what you two are selling

1021
00:52:12,059 --> 00:52:08,919
right now I'm just no I'm not and so

1022
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:12,069
then we can actually ask the same exact

1023
00:52:17,489 --> 00:52:14,890
question when it comes to the editing I

1024
00:52:21,029 --> 00:52:17,499
mean Aaron can you come in as the

1025
00:52:24,630 --> 00:52:21,039
director and override Justin's editing

1026
00:52:26,159 --> 00:52:24,640
decisions you know what I mean it's well

1027
00:52:28,229 --> 00:52:26,169
I mean actually I actually could

1028
00:52:33,329 --> 00:52:28,239
probably explain how we edit so this is

1029
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:33,339
Justin that yeah how we edit is we have

1030
00:52:39,449 --> 00:52:35,249
a third editor this guy Michael Felker

1031
00:52:42,689 --> 00:52:39,459
lovely lovely dude he edits while we're

1032
00:52:44,999 --> 00:52:42,699
on set and about a week after we're done

1033
00:52:47,339 --> 00:52:45,009
shooting principal photography he gives

1034
00:52:49,529 --> 00:52:47,349
us the assembly cut he usually makes

1035
00:52:51,959 --> 00:52:49,539
some discoveries we probably wouldn't

1036
00:52:54,630 --> 00:52:51,969
have made because we tend to just edit

1037
00:52:57,870 --> 00:52:54,640
the movie in our heads as we go because

1038
00:53:00,390 --> 00:52:57,880
we're both editors and then and then we

1039
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:00,400
each take half of the movie and edit it

1040
00:53:04,709 --> 00:53:02,650
and then we trade halves and edit each

1041
00:53:06,419 --> 00:53:04,719
other's halves and they'll change that

1042
00:53:07,709 --> 00:53:06,429
much they don't change that much it's

1043
00:53:09,989 --> 00:53:07,719
just like literally trimming at that

1044
00:53:11,819 --> 00:53:09,999
point and and just doubled and and each

1045
00:53:13,199 --> 00:53:11,829
person probably double checking each

1046
00:53:14,819 --> 00:53:13,209
other the other person's like

1047
00:53:16,649 --> 00:53:14,829
performance so X and they're almost

1048
00:53:18,059 --> 00:53:16,659
always in sync and occasionally that'd

1049
00:53:19,380 --> 00:53:18,069
just be a discussion of like hey why did

1050
00:53:20,699 --> 00:53:19,390
you choose this performance over this

1051
00:53:22,439 --> 00:53:20,709
one and you'll just talk about it it's

1052
00:53:24,689 --> 00:53:22,449
not a conflict it's just like oh I can

1053
00:53:25,890 --> 00:53:24,699
see it the the major decisions that you

1054
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:25,900
would think of when you think about

1055
00:53:29,720 --> 00:53:26,890
making a film

1056
00:53:32,180 --> 00:53:29,730
such as oh you inter cut a scene or

1057
00:53:34,849 --> 00:53:32,190
you cut cut an entire scene or whatever

1058
00:53:36,859 --> 00:53:34,859
those decisions happen together for sure

1059
00:53:38,420 --> 00:53:36,869
those don't the idea we don't we don't

1060
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:38,430
do that before while we're still

1061
00:53:43,550 --> 00:53:40,890
splitting the project when we when we

1062
00:53:45,670 --> 00:53:43,560
trade each other's halves of the film we

1063
00:53:48,950 --> 00:53:45,680
then combine it and at a certain point

1064
00:53:52,010 --> 00:53:48,960
it becomes a frankly kind of a highly

1065
00:53:54,950 --> 00:53:52,020
technical boring process but it is us in

1066
00:53:58,580 --> 00:53:54,960
a room and an often involving our third

1067
00:54:00,020 --> 00:53:58,590
editor Michael Felker and and just

1068
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:00,030
trying to figure that a little bit of it

1069
00:54:04,580 --> 00:54:01,770
out but the majority of it actually

1070
00:54:06,140 --> 00:54:04,590
happens actually no the majority of the

1071
00:54:08,750 --> 00:54:06,150
work happens with with Michael Felker

1072
00:54:11,240 --> 00:54:08,760
our third editor and then Justin and I

1073
00:54:13,609 --> 00:54:11,250
get it for a little while and and and

1074
00:54:15,740 --> 00:54:13,619
make make the movie that we saw in our

1075
00:54:17,630 --> 00:54:15,750
heads as close as we can now I'm gonna

1076
00:54:20,990 --> 00:54:17,640
start picking this apart and we've got

1077
00:54:25,820 --> 00:54:21,000
we've got four minutes to the break and

1078
00:54:29,599 --> 00:54:25,830
but there's one character and and I'm

1079
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:29,609
gonna point this directly at Justin the

1080
00:54:35,420 --> 00:54:33,570
character that lives out by himself

1081
00:54:38,300 --> 00:54:35,430
right that draws the maps that's

1082
00:54:43,220 --> 00:54:38,310
committing suicide right that guy yes

1083
00:54:48,890 --> 00:54:43,230
what's his name that's Carl no you can

1084
00:54:51,470 --> 00:54:48,900
just call Carl ya crappy Carl okay

1085
00:54:54,740 --> 00:54:51,480
Justin be straight with me is that based

1086
00:54:56,690 --> 00:54:54,750
on somebody that you know also before

1087
00:55:01,040 --> 00:54:56,700
you answer that that is one of the

1088
00:55:04,010 --> 00:55:01,050
funniest characters that I have seen

1089
00:55:06,530 --> 00:55:04,020
developed it's it's it's spot-on genius

1090
00:55:09,230 --> 00:55:06,540
don't take that you know don't don't let

1091
00:55:12,859 --> 00:55:09,240
lose control with that but it's a it's a

1092
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:12,869
it's a really amazing character it's

1093
00:55:18,260 --> 00:55:15,290
that based on somebody that you know

1094
00:55:21,170 --> 00:55:18,270
okay so that's this is no one's ever

1095
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:21,180
asked if this is a great question so the

1096
00:55:29,030 --> 00:55:23,930
character is a combination of few things

1097
00:55:30,849 --> 00:55:29,040
his wardrobe and the fact that this is

1098
00:55:35,210 --> 00:55:30,859
an invisible that was cut from the film

1099
00:55:36,710 --> 00:55:35,220
originally he in fact we may have shot

1100
00:55:38,210 --> 00:55:36,720
the line I can't remember now it may

1101
00:55:42,109 --> 00:55:38,220
been cut from the scripted Millie

1102
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:42,119
remember but Carl is someone who he used

1103
00:55:46,579 --> 00:55:44,490
to basically exploit

1104
00:55:47,750 --> 00:55:46,589
the occupants of the different loops he

1105
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:47,760
discovered them found out they were

1106
00:55:53,690 --> 00:55:51,650
stuck and he would go from Luke - Luke

1107
00:55:57,319 --> 00:55:53,700
basically overcharging them for things

1108
00:56:00,319 --> 00:55:57,329
we founded I cut it up okay overcharging

1109
00:56:03,859 --> 00:56:00,329
them for things and and he was a friend

1110
00:56:06,410 --> 00:56:03,869
of of Chris the quote-unquote gun nut

1111
00:56:09,740 --> 00:56:06,420
Tweaker and since he was friends with

1112
00:56:11,900 --> 00:56:09,750
Chris and we knew that about him and and

1113
00:56:14,540 --> 00:56:11,910
he was someone that was invented during

1114
00:56:15,890 --> 00:56:14,550
an improvisation and rehearsal in 2012

1115
00:56:18,589 --> 00:56:15,900
in our first movie resolution but the

1116
00:56:20,720 --> 00:56:18,599
actor playing Chris said he doesn't

1117
00:56:22,069 --> 00:56:20,730
about Karl then he like broke character

1118
00:56:23,450 --> 00:56:22,079
for a second looked at it and said oh by

1119
00:56:25,010 --> 00:56:23,460
the way I have a friend named Karl in

1120
00:56:27,650 --> 00:56:25,020
the in this universe sorry okay that's

1121
00:56:28,730 --> 00:56:27,660
awesome and but but because of that

1122
00:56:30,410 --> 00:56:28,740
because he was friends to the gun that

1123
00:56:32,030 --> 00:56:30,420
Tweaker and because he was this guy who

1124
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:32,040
had been exploiting these people in this

1125
00:56:39,109 --> 00:56:34,650
horrific situation I had imagined him as

1126
00:56:40,670 --> 00:56:39,119
being like the the sort of white trash

1127
00:56:43,010 --> 00:56:40,680
thugs who used to beat me up in high

1128
00:56:45,140 --> 00:56:43,020
school and that like that was his he had

1129
00:56:48,890 --> 00:56:45,150
like this is really dark exploited of

1130
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:48,900
side and and that and that came out also

1131
00:56:55,700 --> 00:56:51,170
in his wardrobe he's wearing dirty

1132
00:56:58,069 --> 00:56:55,710
sneakers dirty Dickies pants and like

1133
00:56:59,599 --> 00:56:58,079
this ripped up crappy shirt and that was

1134
00:57:00,620 --> 00:56:59,609
like what I remembered like the guys who

1135
00:57:03,589 --> 00:57:00,630
used to beat me up in high school what

1136
00:57:08,660 --> 00:57:03,599
they looked like and and a buzzed head

1137
00:57:10,849 --> 00:57:08,670
but but he on top of that I thought when

1138
00:57:13,190 --> 00:57:10,859
we were writing this movie I thought

1139
00:57:15,799 --> 00:57:13,200
that that character that was the one

1140
00:57:20,980 --> 00:57:15,809
opportunity to do sort of heightened

1141
00:57:23,770 --> 00:57:20,990
stylistic dialogue sort of the way that

1142
00:57:26,270 --> 00:57:23,780
that like Tarantino rights dialogue and

1143
00:57:27,740 --> 00:57:26,280
we're hiding scenes my guys I'm not

1144
00:57:31,010 --> 00:57:27,750
comparing the way I write dog turns you

1145
00:57:32,870 --> 00:57:31,020
know I'm not nearly that good but but I

1146
00:57:34,970 --> 00:57:32,880
thought it was an opportunity to like do

1147
00:57:36,740 --> 00:57:34,980
that in a and I never been able to do

1148
00:57:38,150 --> 00:57:36,750
that in writing before because of the

1149
00:57:39,710 --> 00:57:38,160
situation he was in because of who he

1150
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:39,720
was and because in the moment in the

1151
00:57:43,220 --> 00:57:41,250
film where you've really gone down the

1152
00:57:46,069 --> 00:57:43,230
rabbit hole and it's really become you

1153
00:57:48,950 --> 00:57:46,079
know a dark dirty Alice in Wonderland

1154
00:57:50,270 --> 00:57:48,960
yeah yeah we get to get savage and

1155
00:57:52,310 --> 00:57:50,280
already for like we

1156
00:57:55,220 --> 00:57:52,320
we're unfortunately to extraordinarily

1157
00:57:58,490 --> 00:57:55,230
optimistic guys so a lot of the time our

1158
00:58:00,500 --> 00:57:58,500
dialogue doesn't get down and savage and

1159
00:58:02,870 --> 00:58:00,510
and dirty but but there's just one guy

1160
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:02,880
who's just so nihilistic and done with

1161
00:58:09,610 --> 00:58:05,610
his situation that that we got to really

1162
00:58:13,130 --> 00:58:09,620
lash out now with um with James's

1163
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:13,140
dialogue as Carl in that scene I've got

1164
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:15,090
a minute and a half and then we've got

1165
00:58:18,500 --> 00:58:15,810
to take a break

1166
00:58:22,250 --> 00:58:18,510
all right was that was that written or

1167
00:58:25,130 --> 00:58:22,260
was that part James to as well because

1168
00:58:26,510 --> 00:58:25,140
it is some of the I was like I cannot

1169
00:58:30,380 --> 00:58:26,520
believe the stuff that is coming out of

1170
00:58:32,390 --> 00:58:30,390
his mouth right now right so he would do

1171
00:58:33,830 --> 00:58:32,400
it yeah I don't want to take a single

1172
00:58:35,750 --> 00:58:33,840
thing away from James Jordan because

1173
00:58:37,460 --> 00:58:35,760
when he walked in the room he he almost

1174
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:37,470
I mean he basically got the part as soon

1175
00:58:42,350 --> 00:58:39,690
as they sat down right I mean he rocked

1176
00:58:44,390 --> 00:58:42,360
it that said though I also don't want to

1177
00:58:46,970 --> 00:58:44,400
take anything away from my my favorite

1178
00:58:52,090 --> 00:58:46,980
person Justin who did write almost every

1179
00:58:56,990 --> 00:58:52,100
word of it and it was I was a it was a a

1180
00:58:58,820 --> 00:58:57,000
wonderful combination of of just and

1181
00:59:00,950 --> 00:58:58,830
understanding exactly what James would

1182
00:59:04,490 --> 00:59:00,960
be delivering and James not like being

1183
00:59:06,590 --> 00:59:04,500
able to read what what what Justin was

1184
00:59:09,770 --> 00:59:06,600
going for with that dialogue yeah I can

1185
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:09,780
totally get that Aaron and a you have to

1186
00:59:14,210 --> 00:59:11,370
be straight with me it's a yes or no

1187
00:59:18,410 --> 00:59:14,220
question sure as you're reading those

1188
00:59:20,660 --> 00:59:18,420
scenes with with Carl did you look at

1189
00:59:23,930 --> 00:59:20,670
Justin like dude where have you been

1190
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:23,940
where where's this coming from

1191
00:59:30,070 --> 00:59:26,850
I'll be straight no way man I bet that

1192
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:30,080
made perfect sense to me it's cool

1193
00:59:34,910 --> 00:59:33,330
it's about as dark as it can get and we

1194
00:59:37,430 --> 00:59:34,920
all know what we're talking about here

1195
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:37,440
you have to see the film but it is as

1196
00:59:43,790 --> 00:59:40,770
funny as funny it can be and that just

1197
00:59:45,410 --> 00:59:43,800
shows you about my twisted brain but I

1198
00:59:48,830 --> 00:59:45,420
wanted to ask about that first

1199
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:48,840
so let's come back and our guest tonight

1200
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:50,850
Justin Ben sit in air in Morehead we're

1201
00:59:54,470 --> 00:59:52,650
talking about their film the endless

1202
00:59:57,170 --> 00:59:54,480
when we come back we're going to talk

1203
00:59:59,450 --> 00:59:57,180
about time loops and portals an

1204
01:00:00,890 --> 00:59:59,460
extraordinary part of this film I'm you

1205
01:00:03,510 --> 01:00:00,900
know Jimmy Church this has fade to black

1206
01:00:20,660 --> 01:00:03,520
stay with it

1207
01:00:24,630 --> 01:00:22,500
this is fade to black

1208
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:24,640
with Jimmy Church on the game changer

1209
01:00:30,140 --> 01:00:28,330
radio network and kgr a the global radio

1210
01:00:33,420 --> 01:00:30,150
alliance

1211
01:00:36,750 --> 01:00:33,430
this is KCRA digital broadcasting

1212
01:00:39,060 --> 01:00:36,760
station Salt Lake City Utah Van Buren

1213
01:00:41,190 --> 01:00:39,070
Arkansas does your basement or

1214
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:41,200
crawlspace have a damp musty smell well

1215
01:00:45,090 --> 01:00:42,970
watch out that's a sign of too much

1216
01:00:46,950 --> 01:00:45,100
moisture and not enough ventilation and

1217
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:46,960
that can mean increased mold growth and

1218
01:00:51,330 --> 01:00:49,090
the build-up of harmful toxins and gases

1219
01:00:53,490 --> 01:00:51,340
don't bother with a dehumidifier it just

1220
01:00:55,290 --> 01:00:53,500
circulates the same unhealthy air now

1221
01:00:57,150 --> 01:00:55,300
there's a better way to remove these

1222
01:00:59,550 --> 01:00:57,160
dangers and odors it's with the

1223
01:01:01,349 --> 01:00:59,560
computerized wave moisture control unit

1224
01:01:02,970 --> 01:01:01,359
that reduces moisture and expels

1225
01:01:04,980 --> 01:01:02,980
pollutants we replaced our old

1226
01:01:07,260 --> 01:01:04,990
dehumidifier with the wave unit and in

1227
01:01:09,630 --> 01:01:07,270
only three weeks our basement is dry and

1228
01:01:11,609 --> 01:01:09,640
the musty smell is gone wave units

1229
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:11,619
require no maintenance no buckets of

1230
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:13,930
water or filters and costs only pennies

1231
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:15,970
a day to run breathe better live

1232
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:17,770
healthier with an affordable no

1233
01:01:22,530 --> 01:01:20,170
maintenance wave unit call eight eight

1234
01:01:27,570 --> 01:01:22,540
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1235
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:27,580
eight seven one seven wave412 dry

1236
01:01:32,300 --> 01:01:30,770
healthy home calm

1237
01:01:37,060 --> 01:01:32,310
[Music]

1238
01:01:44,660 --> 01:01:37,070
home solutions for a healthy comfortable

1239
01:01:49,170 --> 01:01:47,310
hi this is Ray sobs here reppin the

1240
01:01:52,170 --> 01:01:49,180
planet and you're listening to my good

1241
01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:52,180
friend Jimmy Church fade to black

1242
01:01:59,310 --> 01:01:54,730
on the GameChanger network and the kgr a

1243
01:02:01,440 --> 01:01:59,320
digital broadcast station this is Toby

1244
01:02:02,900 --> 01:02:01,450
Kebbell you're listening to Jimmy Church

1245
01:02:22,080 --> 01:02:02,910
radio.com

1246
01:02:23,700 --> 01:02:22,090
Jimmy Revolution this is Micah Hank so

1247
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:23,710
the graylien report and you're listening

1248
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:26,170
to jimmy church on fade to black across

1249
01:02:30,570 --> 01:02:27,850
the globe on the GameChanger radio

1250
01:02:31,870 --> 01:02:30,580
network and the one and only kgr a radio

1251
01:02:51,670 --> 01:02:31,880
the planet

1252
01:02:53,690 --> 01:02:51,680
[Music]

1253
01:02:57,880 --> 01:02:53,700
welcome back to pay the black army Oh

1254
01:03:00,200 --> 01:02:57,890
super Church our guest tonight guests

1255
01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:00,210
Justin Benson in there in Moorhead we're

1256
01:03:05,470 --> 01:03:02,090
talking about their film the endless

1257
01:03:08,150 --> 01:03:05,480
it's been called mind-bending by variety

1258
01:03:11,450 --> 01:03:08,160
heart-pounding by the farsighted

1259
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:11,460
hypnotic by culture Crypt masterful by

1260
01:03:17,270 --> 01:03:14,010
we got this covered ingenious by The

1261
01:03:19,849 --> 01:03:17,280
Hollywood Reporter peer magic by modern

1262
01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:19,859
and one of the best sci-fi films

1263
01:03:26,359 --> 01:03:22,650
of the year talk film society the film

1264
01:03:28,490 --> 01:03:26,369
is the endless and would you guys hear

1265
01:03:30,230 --> 01:03:28,500
that I mean do you guys start to believe

1266
01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:30,240
this about yourselves

1267
01:03:38,510 --> 01:03:36,090
oh Jesus no we're extraordinarily proud

1268
01:03:40,900 --> 01:03:38,520
of it but but when we set out to make

1269
01:03:42,770 --> 01:03:40,910
the movie we were just gonna go make a

1270
01:03:45,349 --> 01:03:42,780
we wanted to make a movie that was

1271
01:03:48,020 --> 01:03:45,359
important to us and we just hope that

1272
01:03:51,170 --> 01:03:48,030
that the audience would would be along

1273
01:03:52,670 --> 01:03:51,180
for that ride but definitely when we

1274
01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:52,680
started making this movie we did not

1275
01:03:56,720 --> 01:03:55,050
think that it would be something we

1276
01:03:58,190 --> 01:03:56,730
thought people would like it we thought

1277
01:04:01,010 --> 01:03:58,200
it was a good movie we had a lot of

1278
01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:01,020
trust and faith in it but we frankly

1279
01:04:04,220 --> 01:04:02,730
thought it was a little too weird to be

1280
01:04:06,770 --> 01:04:04,230
something that that would be actually

1281
01:04:09,740 --> 01:04:06,780
embraced and it seems like everyone's

1282
01:04:13,670 --> 01:04:09,750
into it did you either one of you can

1283
01:04:16,310 --> 01:04:13,680
answer this but did you guys listen to

1284
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:16,320
you know fade to black or coast to coast

1285
01:04:25,910 --> 01:04:19,290
am or other late night you know

1286
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:25,920
conspiracy UFO radio yeah we we loved

1287
01:04:34,390 --> 01:04:30,450
the show yeah we we had to do a long

1288
01:04:37,940 --> 01:04:34,400
drive in Texas across rural Texas and

1289
01:04:42,290 --> 01:04:37,950
last July here yeah let's July or August

1290
01:04:43,730 --> 01:04:42,300
no September Fantastic Fest yeah and

1291
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:43,740
we're just driving through a world Texas

1292
01:04:47,150 --> 01:04:45,210
at night for about six hours just

1293
01:04:48,140 --> 01:04:47,160
listening to Episode four episode of

1294
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:48,150
coast to coast

1295
01:04:53,180 --> 01:04:50,010
well hang on oh you're missing the most

1296
01:04:54,500 --> 01:04:53,190
important connection here basically one

1297
01:04:56,060 --> 01:04:54,510
of the very first things we have our

1298
01:04:58,040 --> 01:04:56,070
work done was a short that Justin

1299
01:05:00,680 --> 01:04:58,050
directed and I was the cinematographer

1300
01:05:03,590 --> 01:05:00,690
and it's called a.m. and it's it's

1301
01:05:05,130 --> 01:05:03,600
basically about a girl who is driving in

1302
01:05:08,850 --> 01:05:05,140
the middle of the desert at night

1303
01:05:11,570 --> 01:05:08,860
and she's listening to AM radio and the

1304
01:05:14,130 --> 01:05:11,580
AM radio host starts talking to her and

1305
01:05:18,330 --> 01:05:14,140
and that's it's kind of like a Twilight

1306
01:05:21,480 --> 01:05:18,340
Zone esque short film that's really

1307
01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:21,490
great know what we can redo it we can

1308
01:05:24,500 --> 01:05:23,050
make one feel I mean you're talking to

1309
01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:24,510
me right now I mean this is actually

1310
01:05:30,210 --> 01:05:27,370
closing the circle so this is incredible

1311
01:05:34,140 --> 01:05:30,220
I know who could be the host on the

1312
01:05:36,860 --> 01:05:34,150
radio is it is it yeah you know I'm just

1313
01:05:42,660 --> 01:05:36,870
saying I'll volunteer

1314
01:05:46,350 --> 01:05:42,670
I'll read read with you guys but because

1315
01:05:48,420 --> 01:05:46,360
that that element of this because

1316
01:05:52,140 --> 01:05:48,430
everything that is is covered throughout

1317
01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:52,150
the film is what goes on on not only

1318
01:05:55,860 --> 01:05:54,370
this program but coast to coast and it's

1319
01:06:00,150 --> 01:05:55,870
been doing this for years and years and

1320
01:06:02,100 --> 01:06:00,160
years and so the fans of not only this

1321
01:06:04,950 --> 01:06:02,110
show but of the genre they go and see

1322
01:06:07,290 --> 01:06:04,960
this film and I know that you wrote it

1323
01:06:11,340 --> 01:06:07,300
just in for yourselves you guys made the

1324
01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:11,350
films for yourself but the audience gets

1325
01:06:14,700 --> 01:06:12,730
that connection they're like this film

1326
01:06:18,990 --> 01:06:14,710
was made for me and that's where the

1327
01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:19,000
magic happens yeah I mean it's

1328
01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:22,930
interesting you on the one hand at films

1329
01:06:28,890 --> 01:06:26,610
we make they are very personal and we

1330
01:06:30,990 --> 01:06:28,900
for better for worse have been empowered

1331
01:06:32,370 --> 01:06:31,000
to make these very personal films so

1332
01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:32,380
what what I mean to say is that we've

1333
01:06:35,790 --> 01:06:33,850
never felt like we've ever been like

1334
01:06:37,800 --> 01:06:35,800
provided an opportunity like someone was

1335
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:37,810
like hey what do you want to do I'm

1336
01:06:40,320 --> 01:06:38,890
gonna write you a check they'll make

1337
01:06:42,810 --> 01:06:40,330
your movie it's not like that it's like

1338
01:06:45,720 --> 01:06:42,820
it's like we're probably gonna have like

1339
01:06:47,130 --> 01:06:45,730
bust tables and and and and work on

1340
01:06:48,810 --> 01:06:47,140
commercials and stuff we may not want to

1341
01:06:53,580 --> 01:06:48,820
do things like that to like save money

1342
01:06:56,760 --> 01:06:53,590
to make a film in since we do that we

1343
01:06:58,380 --> 01:06:56,770
are typically in a position where we

1344
01:06:59,970 --> 01:06:58,390
have Final Cut we get to basically do

1345
01:07:02,010 --> 01:06:59,980
whatever we want and we do whatever

1346
01:07:04,560 --> 01:07:02,020
we're passionate about now that said

1347
01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:04,570
there is a part of both of us the whole

1348
01:07:10,170 --> 01:07:06,490
time we're doing it that is we do want

1349
01:07:13,590 --> 01:07:10,180
to satisfy an audience and and I think

1350
01:07:15,510 --> 01:07:13,600
that we are we you know

1351
01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:15,520
yet you hope that your interests align

1352
01:07:19,770 --> 01:07:18,250
with your audience and

1353
01:07:24,030 --> 01:07:19,780
you also we've also never been in a

1354
01:07:25,740 --> 01:07:24,040
situation where we felt like we had to

1355
01:07:28,740 --> 01:07:25,750
do something we didn't want to do to

1356
01:07:30,990 --> 01:07:28,750
satisfy a potential audience Sunday if

1357
01:07:33,360 --> 01:07:31,000
somebody just tweeted out by the way

1358
01:07:39,450 --> 01:07:33,370
that a choral needs to have his own film

1359
01:07:42,540 --> 01:07:39,460
I'm just letting you know yeah that's uh

1360
01:07:47,850 --> 01:07:42,550
that's a really interesting point he he

1361
01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:47,860
really his part in the film was just so

1362
01:07:52,050 --> 01:07:50,410
pivotal and and James is just absolutely

1363
01:07:55,320 --> 01:07:52,060
incredible now let's get to this

1364
01:07:58,020 --> 01:07:55,330
time-travel stuff a time portal time

1365
01:07:59,970 --> 01:07:58,030
Lube aspect of the film I'll throw this

1366
01:08:05,360 --> 01:07:59,980
out to Justin first adjustments that you

1367
01:08:07,740 --> 01:08:05,370
penned the film how did you decide to

1368
01:08:10,080 --> 01:08:07,750
incorporate this into the film because

1369
01:08:13,260 --> 01:08:10,090
when you do do that you can start to go

1370
01:08:15,720 --> 01:08:13,270
down that road it now it gets complex

1371
01:08:18,660 --> 01:08:15,730
you have to edit the film you have to

1372
01:08:21,870 --> 01:08:18,670
have a story that is now potentially

1373
01:08:24,809 --> 01:08:21,880
going in loops and the science of time

1374
01:08:27,150 --> 01:08:24,819
travel and time loops it's very very

1375
01:08:32,039 --> 01:08:27,160
technical so how did you handle that

1376
01:08:36,269 --> 01:08:32,049
Justin well we knew that we wanted to

1377
01:08:38,760 --> 01:08:36,279
explore the theme of basically not

1378
01:08:40,829 --> 01:08:38,770
repeating past mistakes but that was one

1379
01:08:42,510 --> 01:08:40,839
of the themes of the film and a time

1380
01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:42,520
loop was a good way to do that and we

1381
01:08:45,630 --> 01:08:43,810
also knew we wanted to make a film that

1382
01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:45,640
was in the same universe as our first

1383
01:08:50,099 --> 01:08:48,130
film resolution and again being very

1384
01:08:52,440 --> 01:08:50,109
careful that you know we weren't making

1385
01:08:57,420 --> 01:08:52,450
a sequel to a movie that that 10 people

1386
01:08:58,950 --> 01:08:57,430
have seen and and yeah and that's kind

1387
01:09:01,769 --> 01:08:58,960
of like where the idea of loops came

1388
01:09:03,300 --> 01:09:01,779
from because the I don't want to spoil

1389
01:09:04,829 --> 01:09:03,310
our resolution ends but the final line

1390
01:09:06,390 --> 01:09:04,839
of resolution basically strongly

1391
01:09:10,200 --> 01:09:06,400
indicates that there there's a

1392
01:09:11,670 --> 01:09:10,210
phenomenon of loops going on so it's

1393
01:09:14,099 --> 01:09:11,680
kind of like the concepts the conception

1394
01:09:18,329 --> 01:09:14,109
of the idea and then in terms of writing

1395
01:09:21,269 --> 01:09:18,339
it when I was writing it I just really

1396
01:09:23,820 --> 01:09:21,279
saw it as something that if one were

1397
01:09:28,260 --> 01:09:23,830
physicists for example how there was

1398
01:09:30,450 --> 01:09:28,270
probably a way to to explain what was

1399
01:09:31,979 --> 01:09:30,460
happening in a map and the language of

1400
01:09:34,890 --> 01:09:31,989
math

1401
01:09:37,470 --> 01:09:34,900
and at the same time that language of

1402
01:09:41,190 --> 01:09:37,480
math would be describing a sort of priam

1403
01:09:42,900 --> 01:09:41,200
primordial geological force that is

1404
01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:42,910
there in that area you know sort of like

1405
01:09:49,320 --> 01:09:44,890
how people speak about like places like

1406
01:09:51,300 --> 01:09:49,330
Sedona right and and and it was also

1407
01:09:53,070 --> 01:09:51,310
somewhat based on Stephen King as a

1408
01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:53,080
lesser-known book called desperation

1409
01:09:57,030 --> 01:09:54,730
that doesn't deal with loops but it does

1410
01:10:00,750 --> 01:09:57,040
sort of deal with another world the

1411
01:10:03,030 --> 01:10:00,760
geology so there were all those things

1412
01:10:04,770 --> 01:10:03,040
but I think some of the more interesting

1413
01:10:07,410 --> 01:10:04,780
things that have come about have been to

1414
01:10:09,930 --> 01:10:07,420
do with loops and explaining it has been

1415
01:10:14,160 --> 01:10:09,940
since the movie has come out we were

1416
01:10:16,080 --> 01:10:14,170
listening to this podcast by a podcast

1417
01:10:18,990 --> 01:10:16,090
of Alan Moore who wrote The Watchmen and

1418
01:10:20,900 --> 01:10:19,000
V for Vendetta and from how a very

1419
01:10:23,940 --> 01:10:20,910
famous comic book graphic novel writer

1420
01:10:26,970 --> 01:10:23,950
and and he was talking about his belief

1421
01:10:28,770 --> 01:10:26,980
and I had to look it up just now to like

1422
01:10:30,870 --> 01:10:28,780
remember what it is but it's a it's

1423
01:10:34,200 --> 01:10:30,880
basically a belief called internal ism

1424
01:10:35,670 --> 01:10:34,210
or eternalism or I think it's a solid

1425
01:10:37,530 --> 01:10:35,680
state universe theory is the other name

1426
01:10:42,810 --> 01:10:37,540
for it yep that's it that that also

1427
01:10:45,540 --> 01:10:42,820
links to a general belief in Hinduism

1428
01:10:47,430 --> 01:10:45,550
and ancient Egypt it's not quite cold a

1429
01:10:49,380 --> 01:10:47,440
turn of them it's like eternal return or

1430
01:10:52,170 --> 01:10:49,390
something like that general philosophy

1431
01:10:56,790 --> 01:10:52,180
that often goes through spirituality and

1432
01:10:58,890 --> 01:10:56,800
it's just the idea that that for example

1433
01:11:01,290 --> 01:10:58,900
when when you pass away there is nowhere

1434
01:11:03,330 --> 01:11:01,300
else for you to really go except sort of

1435
01:11:05,100 --> 01:11:03,340
unconsciously back to the beginning and

1436
01:11:08,970 --> 01:11:05,110
that you're sort of unconsciously living

1437
01:11:12,120 --> 01:11:08,980
a very similar life over and over and

1438
01:11:13,650 --> 01:11:12,130
and that in that this in specifically we

1439
01:11:18,870 --> 01:11:13,660
use the term eternalism I think it's

1440
01:11:21,390 --> 01:11:18,880
somewhat supported by ideas in in

1441
01:11:24,510 --> 01:11:21,400
theoretical physics of time being the

1442
01:11:27,240 --> 01:11:24,520
fourth dimension and that being and and

1443
01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:27,250
and that mathematically suggesting that

1444
01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:30,970
we only experience time as as linear but

1445
01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:32,410
it but actually times this very

1446
01:11:38,700 --> 01:11:36,570
complicated patchwork of of events

1447
01:11:42,600 --> 01:11:38,710
that's much more complicated in the way

1448
01:11:44,630 --> 01:11:42,610
we experience it but but yeah those are

1449
01:11:50,210 --> 01:11:44,640
those are some thoughts on it

1450
01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:50,220
do you have well did you go and research

1451
01:11:54,360 --> 01:11:52,570
speaking to Justin right now Aaron you

1452
01:11:58,820 --> 01:11:54,370
can jump in but just say it's errand

1453
01:12:02,550 --> 01:11:58,830
okay but Justin did you go and look at

1454
01:12:07,080 --> 01:12:02,560
specific cases of time travel from the

1455
01:12:10,710 --> 01:12:07,090
past like maybe John Titor or do some

1456
01:12:12,510 --> 01:12:10,720
research in to some of the physicists

1457
01:12:14,840 --> 01:12:12,520
and theoretical physicists that deal

1458
01:12:17,040 --> 01:12:14,850
with time travel

1459
01:12:18,900 --> 01:12:17,050
that's funny our next movie has this

1460
01:12:20,670 --> 01:12:18,910
really famous quote by Einstein in it

1461
01:12:23,310 --> 01:12:20,680
I'm probably gonna butcher it but it was

1462
01:12:25,440 --> 01:12:23,320
a basically a letter written to his

1463
01:12:27,300 --> 01:12:25,450
buddy's Widow and then in the letter

1464
01:12:29,550 --> 01:12:27,310
said something like this it was like you

1465
01:12:30,660 --> 01:12:29,560
know we're obviously both mourning for

1466
01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:30,670
your husband and I'm very sorry very

1467
01:12:37,530 --> 01:12:35,530
sincerely sorry for your loss but your

1468
01:12:40,230 --> 01:12:37,540
husband as a physicist knew as I did

1469
01:12:42,300 --> 01:12:40,240
that time is a stubbornly persistent

1470
01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:42,310
illusion I think that's right actually

1471
01:12:47,010 --> 01:12:43,930
yeah it's something like that yeah the

1472
01:12:48,660 --> 01:12:47,020
idea is this because but john titor

1473
01:12:50,610 --> 01:12:48,670
didn't really didn't really factor into

1474
01:12:52,890 --> 01:12:50,620
it because the movies not quite time

1475
01:12:55,380 --> 01:12:52,900
travel and weirdly time loop some time

1476
01:12:57,330 --> 01:12:55,390
travel have a shockingly small amount

1477
01:12:58,860 --> 01:12:57,340
narratively to do with each other and I

1478
01:13:03,900 --> 01:12:58,870
say narratively meaning just in the

1479
01:13:08,250 --> 01:13:03,910
language of film but the oh this is

1480
01:13:13,110 --> 01:13:08,260
Aaron by the way sorry but the the the

1481
01:13:14,310 --> 01:13:13,120
idea of that we think about time and

1482
01:13:18,120 --> 01:13:14,320
actually some of the ways that we're

1483
01:13:19,740 --> 01:13:18,130
able to even emotionally cope with the

1484
01:13:21,270 --> 01:13:19,750
passage of time which is something that

1485
01:13:24,380 --> 01:13:21,280
all of our movies really deal with and

1486
01:13:26,940 --> 01:13:24,390
all of our future movies deal with is

1487
01:13:28,500 --> 01:13:26,950
the some somebody wants to put it is

1488
01:13:31,830 --> 01:13:28,510
probably Alan Moore in that podcast but

1489
01:13:36,590 --> 01:13:31,840
it's somebody once put it is we humans

1490
01:13:39,600 --> 01:13:36,600
see time as us being in a convertible

1491
01:13:41,550 --> 01:13:39,610
driving past buildings in a straight

1492
01:13:44,400 --> 01:13:41,560
line you know that's that's the passage

1493
01:13:46,080 --> 01:13:44,410
of time and because we don't see the

1494
01:13:49,830 --> 01:13:46,090
building's anymore we imagine that they

1495
01:13:50,850 --> 01:13:49,840
just crumbled into dust right right and

1496
01:13:52,500 --> 01:13:50,860
that's ridiculous

1497
01:13:54,660 --> 01:13:52,510
because we understand as humans what

1498
01:13:56,460 --> 01:13:54,670
object permanence is because we are

1499
01:13:58,419 --> 01:13:56,470
older than five years old

1500
01:14:00,790 --> 01:13:58,429
and and

1501
01:14:01,870 --> 01:14:00,800
and if we can understand that as humans

1502
01:14:03,490 --> 01:14:01,880
in the third dimension

1503
01:14:06,250 --> 01:14:03,500
we should be able to understand in the

1504
01:14:08,890 --> 01:14:06,260
fourth dimension where that that thing

1505
01:14:13,570 --> 01:14:08,900
still actually exists like it really

1506
01:14:15,490 --> 01:14:13,580
exists the event still still exists not

1507
01:14:18,580 --> 01:14:15,500
in our past but in something else is

1508
01:14:21,640 --> 01:14:18,590
present and and that's kind of the

1509
01:14:24,220 --> 01:14:21,650
philosophy that we subscribe to both of

1510
01:14:25,990 --> 01:14:24,230
us me and Justin and and it's something

1511
01:14:28,870 --> 01:14:26,000
that a lot of our movies are written

1512
01:14:31,560 --> 01:14:28,880
around but it's also a way of

1513
01:14:34,540 --> 01:14:31,570
emotionally coping with the fact that

1514
01:14:37,689 --> 01:14:34,550
time will eventually pass to the point

1515
01:14:39,939 --> 01:14:37,699
that that all this goes away well then

1516
01:14:45,510 --> 01:14:39,949
there's another part because you're

1517
01:14:47,880 --> 01:14:45,520
right time travel and time loops are two

1518
01:14:50,680 --> 01:14:47,890
different things

1519
01:14:54,340 --> 01:14:50,690
it does get a little complicated but but

1520
01:14:56,709 --> 01:14:54,350
Einstein directly addressed the idea of

1521
01:15:01,740 --> 01:14:56,719
time loops and I find that part

1522
01:15:06,040 --> 01:15:01,750
fascinating and then in the film when

1523
01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:06,050
one of you encounters the tenth I don't

1524
01:15:12,310 --> 01:15:08,570
want to give a whole lot of way here but

1525
01:15:15,850 --> 01:15:12,320
now we're dealing with either time

1526
01:15:19,330 --> 01:15:15,860
travel or something existing from the

1527
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:19,340
distance past and in this case I guess

1528
01:15:24,939 --> 01:15:22,010
it's the Civil War right am i right

1529
01:15:27,459 --> 01:15:24,949
I'm trying to help it's it's around that

1530
01:15:29,439 --> 01:15:27,469
era we imagine is a little bit earlier

1531
01:15:33,490 --> 01:15:29,449
and more and more in like almost Pioneer

1532
01:15:39,580 --> 01:15:33,500
times yes okay yeah the point being it's

1533
01:15:41,350 --> 01:15:39,590
from the distant past so now me as I was

1534
01:15:43,330 --> 01:15:41,360
trying to figure out as the movie is

1535
01:15:46,450 --> 01:15:43,340
going along am i dealing with you know

1536
01:15:48,490 --> 01:15:46,460
is this time-travel now going on is this

1537
01:15:50,770 --> 01:15:48,500
parallel worlds that they're

1538
01:15:54,610 --> 01:15:50,780
encountering in these little patches of

1539
01:15:57,939 --> 01:15:54,620
land out there or is it you know

1540
01:16:00,010 --> 01:15:57,949
specifically time loops and all of those

1541
01:16:02,950 --> 01:16:00,020
are left for the viewer to kind of

1542
01:16:05,800 --> 01:16:02,960
figure out because we've got something

1543
01:16:09,040 --> 01:16:05,810
now from the distant past being there it

1544
01:16:11,410 --> 01:16:09,050
was that intentional well what they're I

1545
01:16:12,250 --> 01:16:11,420
mean there's an interesting thing when

1546
01:16:13,870 --> 01:16:12,260
you're telling stories like

1547
01:16:15,609 --> 01:16:13,880
this where it's like Oh what information

1548
01:16:18,220 --> 01:16:15,619
you keep in that's absolutely necessary

1549
01:16:20,109 --> 01:16:18,230
for the audience to have a general

1550
01:16:21,790 --> 01:16:20,119
comprehension of the film and then

1551
01:16:23,529 --> 01:16:21,800
there's stuff that everyone talks about

1552
01:16:25,060 --> 01:16:23,539
while you're writing the script and you

1553
01:16:28,359 --> 01:16:25,070
ultimately leave it out and decide it's

1554
01:16:29,709 --> 01:16:28,369
not it's not totally important and and

1555
01:16:32,049 --> 01:16:29,719
and so here's the thing that will

1556
01:16:33,700 --> 01:16:32,059
clarify this for you is that you know

1557
01:16:36,669 --> 01:16:33,710
that was sort of like Gandalf staff

1558
01:16:38,620 --> 01:16:36,679
looking geological formation like upside

1559
01:16:42,129 --> 01:16:38,630
down slack ice yep those form the

1560
01:16:45,310 --> 01:16:42,139
borders of the areas of individual loops

1561
01:16:48,609 --> 01:16:45,320
and and depending on how big the radius

1562
01:16:51,580 --> 01:16:48,619
or diameter is of the literally the

1563
01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:51,590
circle that those those upside down

1564
01:16:56,680 --> 01:16:55,130
select Heights form the larger the

1565
01:16:58,959 --> 01:16:56,690
radius or diameter gets the longer the

1566
01:17:01,330 --> 01:16:58,969
loop is so the specific one that you're

1567
01:17:05,620 --> 01:17:01,340
talking about that loop is contained

1568
01:17:07,660 --> 01:17:05,630
within the the dozen or so upside-down

1569
01:17:11,169 --> 01:17:07,670
slag types that you see around that tent

1570
01:17:14,439 --> 01:17:11,179
right and that loop began you know and

1571
01:17:16,240 --> 01:17:14,449
in you know pioneer times and but it's

1572
01:17:18,549 --> 01:17:16,250
been repeating the same five seconds

1573
01:17:19,930 --> 01:17:18,559
ever since that guy's been stuck and the

1574
01:17:22,990 --> 01:17:19,940
rienne again the reason why it's so

1575
01:17:25,540 --> 01:17:23,000
short is because the literally the

1576
01:17:27,339 --> 01:17:25,550
circle is upside those those up second

1577
01:17:29,649 --> 01:17:27,349
slide types is smaller and if you look

1578
01:17:31,600 --> 01:17:29,659
at camp arcadia for example that's about

1579
01:17:34,990 --> 01:17:31,610
a ten year loop and it's contained

1580
01:17:36,459 --> 01:17:35,000
within you know those those upside down

1581
01:17:37,990 --> 01:17:36,469
select I it's probably form a circle

1582
01:17:42,800 --> 01:17:38,000
that's like or a diameter that's about a

1583
01:17:44,069 --> 01:17:42,810
half a mile yeah and the idea here is we

1584
01:17:48,240 --> 01:17:44,079
[Music]

1585
01:17:51,009 --> 01:17:48,250
actually wanted to just think of

1586
01:17:52,959 --> 01:17:51,019
immortality as both a blessing and a

1587
01:17:56,609 --> 01:17:52,969
curse and right now a lot of the

1588
01:18:00,149 --> 01:17:56,619
narrative of films when they talk about

1589
01:18:02,439 --> 01:18:00,159
living forever is that it's a curse and

1590
01:18:04,600 --> 01:18:02,449
where I'm actually but for me personally

1591
01:18:09,100 --> 01:18:04,610
for both of us actually the jury is a

1592
01:18:11,109 --> 01:18:09,110
little bit out on that because you know

1593
01:18:13,029 --> 01:18:11,119
death of course creates this finite

1594
01:18:14,410 --> 01:18:13,039
point in time where all of the the sum

1595
01:18:17,319 --> 01:18:14,420
of all the things that you've done get

1596
01:18:19,569 --> 01:18:17,329
judged or not and you at least get to

1597
01:18:22,169 --> 01:18:19,579
say okay you know I mean if global

1598
01:18:24,729 --> 01:18:22,179
warming is all gonna kill us or whatever

1599
01:18:25,680 --> 01:18:24,739
at least someday I'll just die and it

1600
01:18:29,640 --> 01:18:25,690
won't matter any

1601
01:18:31,350 --> 01:18:29,650
or something like that and for us we

1602
01:18:33,919 --> 01:18:31,360
were trying to create a fate that was

1603
01:18:36,810 --> 01:18:33,929
worse than death and worse than hell and

1604
01:18:38,820 --> 01:18:36,820
an attempt that you're talking about is

1605
01:18:43,250 --> 01:18:38,830
that that's that's the thing that scares

1606
01:18:46,110 --> 01:18:43,260
that that absolute Dickens out of us is

1607
01:18:49,050 --> 01:18:46,120
is something like being in that tent in

1608
01:18:53,400 --> 01:18:49,060
that movie yeah for five seconds okay

1609
01:18:55,200 --> 01:18:53,410
over and over and over just a

1610
01:18:57,570 --> 01:18:55,210
frightening thought I mean seriously you

1611
01:19:00,360 --> 01:18:57,580
just you just contemplate that for a

1612
01:19:03,780 --> 01:19:00,370
minute and if there was ever hell well

1613
01:19:06,330 --> 01:19:03,790
there that would be it certainly now

1614
01:19:07,979 --> 01:19:06,340
okay so now back to this to lag tights

1615
01:19:11,729 --> 01:19:07,989
that's what you call them I you know

1616
01:19:13,860 --> 01:19:11,739
what I thought they were okay all right

1617
01:19:15,720 --> 01:19:13,870
okay I'm not gonna give away anything in

1618
01:19:20,070 --> 01:19:15,730
the film but I'm gonna ask you a

1619
01:19:23,700 --> 01:19:20,080
question there's a scene when they're on

1620
01:19:25,590 --> 01:19:23,710
the porch and there's a little bit of

1621
01:19:28,470 --> 01:19:25,600
light that's coming through the little

1622
01:19:31,860 --> 01:19:28,480
green glass circles that are everywhere

1623
01:19:33,689 --> 01:19:31,870
that are hanging and at that moment I

1624
01:19:35,400 --> 01:19:33,699
don't know if I was hallucinating or not

1625
01:19:38,100 --> 01:19:35,410
and I went back and watched it a few

1626
01:19:42,570 --> 01:19:38,110
times in the film to confirm this it

1627
01:19:48,150 --> 01:19:42,580
looks like there's the face of an alien

1628
01:19:51,810 --> 01:19:48,160
in the glass oh man oh that was are you

1629
01:19:54,180 --> 01:19:51,820
telling me that wasn't intentional no no

1630
01:19:56,850 --> 01:19:54,190
no no I don't know it wasn't it wasn't

1631
01:20:00,140 --> 01:19:56,860
that's fun now I feel but I feel bad

1632
01:20:02,550 --> 01:20:00,150
saying that it's not you know hailing me

1633
01:20:03,810 --> 01:20:02,560
and now it's me really disappointing

1634
01:20:08,310 --> 01:20:03,820
people here this that it's not there

1635
01:20:09,959 --> 01:20:08,320
okay so the in this scene it's you know

1636
01:20:11,700 --> 01:20:09,969
they're out on the porch and the you

1637
01:20:14,250 --> 01:20:11,710
know the three moons are up and stuff

1638
01:20:16,800 --> 01:20:14,260
and it's just at that moment the the

1639
01:20:18,540 --> 01:20:16,810
moon light comes through the glass you

1640
01:20:21,840 --> 01:20:18,550
know the circle that's hanging from the

1641
01:20:25,020 --> 01:20:21,850
tree or whatever and as it you know and

1642
01:20:26,610 --> 01:20:25,030
it's right there and I turn to Rita my

1643
01:20:27,840 --> 01:20:26,620
wife I said did you see that

1644
01:20:31,680 --> 01:20:27,850
and she goes when I said there was

1645
01:20:33,689 --> 01:20:31,690
there's et in that glass really I

1646
01:20:37,220 --> 01:20:33,699
thought ah now I'm starting to figure

1647
01:20:40,640 --> 01:20:37,230
out this film obviously Oh

1648
01:20:42,229 --> 01:20:40,650
way off but but we went and I rewound it

1649
01:20:43,760 --> 01:20:42,239
and I said lunch because yeah it's right

1650
01:20:47,780 --> 01:20:43,770
there yeah you're absolutely right so I

1651
01:20:50,210 --> 01:20:47,790
didn't imagine it and so there you go

1652
01:20:51,979 --> 01:20:50,220
so that is strange you guys need to go

1653
01:20:54,229 --> 01:20:51,989
back and look at the specific scene that

1654
01:20:57,830 --> 01:20:54,239
I'm talking about because if that's an

1655
01:21:00,620 --> 01:20:57,840
accident it's brilliant it's a some

1656
01:21:05,120 --> 01:21:00,630
things like that and it's not imagined

1657
01:21:07,790 --> 01:21:05,130
it's actually there huh no it's a

1658
01:21:10,550 --> 01:21:07,800
perfect alien head with eyes and a nose

1659
01:21:14,090 --> 01:21:10,560
and a little mouth and you know little

1660
01:21:16,910 --> 01:21:14,100
green version of a grey alien face and

1661
01:21:19,640 --> 01:21:16,920
it's right there in the glass oh my god

1662
01:21:22,520 --> 01:21:19,650
I'm so excited about this okay I'm

1663
01:21:28,580 --> 01:21:22,530
really excited about this question for

1664
01:21:29,840 --> 01:21:28,590
you yes if you you do believe you have

1665
01:21:32,570 --> 01:21:29,850
the belief that extraterrestrial life

1666
01:21:36,740 --> 01:21:32,580
has has visited us they're visiting us

1667
01:21:40,190 --> 01:21:36,750
right now as we are talking yes okay do

1668
01:21:44,950 --> 01:21:40,200
you believe they are in that sort of

1669
01:21:52,790 --> 01:21:48,500
yeah well the the short answer is yes of

1670
01:21:56,479 --> 01:21:52,800
course the longer answer to that is the

1671
01:21:59,090 --> 01:21:56,489
amount of life that is out there which

1672
01:22:01,940 --> 01:21:59,100
is nearly an infinite type of number

1673
01:22:06,560 --> 01:22:01,950
okay so when we look at our Milky Way

1674
01:22:10,790 --> 01:22:06,570
and and we have you know potentially

1675
01:22:15,530 --> 01:22:10,800
just with simple math 40 billion that's

1676
01:22:19,910 --> 01:22:15,540
with the be earth-like planets okay 40

1677
01:22:21,800 --> 01:22:19,920
billion there's a trillion stars okay so

1678
01:22:24,340 --> 01:22:21,810
it's just in our Milky Way forget about

1679
01:22:27,380 --> 01:22:24,350
the rest of the universe so how many

1680
01:22:30,320 --> 01:22:27,390
different life forms are on those 40

1681
01:22:33,940 --> 01:22:30,330
billion planets what if it's an easy

1682
01:22:37,100 --> 01:22:33,950
number like a thousand out of 40 billion

1683
01:22:39,020 --> 01:22:37,110
that would be more advanced than us by

1684
01:22:40,910 --> 01:22:39,030
ten thousand years or whatever it's a

1685
01:22:44,090 --> 01:22:40,920
you know these are easy numbers for us

1686
01:22:46,130 --> 01:22:44,100
to achieve well how many of them know

1687
01:22:49,770 --> 01:22:46,140
about this planet well the answer that

1688
01:22:52,170 --> 01:22:49,780
the number is extraordinary so

1689
01:22:53,490 --> 01:22:52,180
you know you - you may sound alike on

1690
01:22:59,730 --> 01:22:53,500
the radio but you look completely

1691
01:23:03,840 --> 01:22:59,740
different and if you the two of you and

1692
01:23:06,900 --> 01:23:03,850
then five other samples of people from

1693
01:23:10,830 --> 01:23:06,910
around this planet male female fat tall

1694
01:23:12,630 --> 01:23:10,840
short white yellow red black it doesn't

1695
01:23:13,920 --> 01:23:12,640
matter right and you went and visited

1696
01:23:16,070 --> 01:23:13,930
another planet

1697
01:23:17,370 --> 01:23:16,080
they wouldn't even think that you were

1698
01:23:20,250 --> 01:23:17,380
earthlings

1699
01:23:24,150 --> 01:23:20,260
you know you would potentially be viewed

1700
01:23:28,770 --> 01:23:24,160
as different from different planets what

1701
01:23:31,830 --> 01:23:28,780
if you took a dog with you so so when

1702
01:23:34,470 --> 01:23:31,840
you think about that what could be

1703
01:23:37,200 --> 01:23:34,480
potentially visiting here and gray it

1704
01:23:39,510 --> 01:23:37,210
could be a variety of things do you know

1705
01:23:40,500 --> 01:23:39,520
okay I'll throw this out to the both of

1706
01:23:45,480 --> 01:23:40,510
you

1707
01:23:48,210 --> 01:23:45,490
scientific journal 40 different

1708
01:23:53,880 --> 01:23:48,220
scientists published paper white paper

1709
01:23:58,370 --> 01:23:53,890
three months ago said that octopus here

1710
01:24:02,400 --> 01:23:58,380
on earth had to have been brought here

1711
01:24:06,060 --> 01:24:02,410
that it's too alien to have been

1712
01:24:09,320 --> 01:24:06,070
developed here on earth now think about

1713
01:24:13,860 --> 01:24:09,330
the significance of that those eggs

1714
01:24:18,120 --> 01:24:13,870
whole octopus actually came here from

1715
01:24:20,340 --> 01:24:18,130
another planet you know and because it's

1716
01:24:24,540 --> 01:24:20,350
so unique as to all the other species

1717
01:24:27,930 --> 01:24:24,550
that are here well potentially octopus

1718
01:24:30,390 --> 01:24:27,940
are actually alien and this isn't me

1719
01:24:33,900 --> 01:24:30,400
talking with the tinfoil hat on I'm

1720
01:24:37,950 --> 01:24:33,910
talking about science as presented this

1721
01:24:40,200 --> 01:24:37,960
and that's an example of another you

1722
01:24:42,180 --> 01:24:40,210
know another life-form that that could

1723
01:24:45,300 --> 01:24:42,190
potentially be here and then remember

1724
01:24:48,510 --> 01:24:45,310
the movie arrival yeah I love that

1725
01:24:50,820 --> 01:24:48,520
okay octopus right uh-huh

1726
01:24:52,410 --> 01:24:50,830
ya know for sure the design is similar i

1727
01:24:54,690 --> 01:24:52,420
actually it's funny i did read that

1728
01:24:56,940 --> 01:24:54,700
article and I also read how highly

1729
01:25:01,379 --> 01:24:56,950
intelligent octopi are yeah I know I

1730
01:25:06,000 --> 01:25:03,620
delicious and now they are absolutely

1731
01:25:08,069 --> 01:25:06,010
geniuses that I should have never eaten

1732
01:25:09,299 --> 01:25:08,079
most of them are probably a lot smarter

1733
01:25:12,350 --> 01:25:09,309
than I am that's right

1734
01:25:15,359 --> 01:25:12,360
calamari is not a my diet anymore and

1735
01:25:17,100 --> 01:25:15,369
and then you heard about the Japanese

1736
01:25:20,489 --> 01:25:17,110
octopus that was predicting the World

1737
01:25:24,089 --> 01:25:20,499
Cup give me that no I don't know about

1738
01:25:26,669 --> 01:25:24,099
that so the octopus correctly predicted

1739
01:25:30,479 --> 01:25:26,679
the World Cup and then the night before

1740
01:25:32,510 --> 01:25:30,489
Japan lost they ate them in Japan for

1741
01:25:40,699 --> 01:25:32,520
sushi and then they lost the next round

1742
01:25:46,889 --> 01:25:44,520
I see the future I see the future don't

1743
01:25:49,529 --> 01:25:46,899
do it but there you go

1744
01:25:52,979 --> 01:25:49,539
all right now I've got to head towards a

1745
01:25:57,239 --> 01:25:52,989
break so when we come back I want to

1746
01:26:00,839 --> 01:25:57,249
talk about the three moon part now that

1747
01:26:02,520 --> 01:26:00,849
the et has been removed from the glass

1748
01:26:05,040 --> 01:26:02,530
circle which I thought that there was

1749
01:26:08,209 --> 01:26:05,050
something there you guys need you know

1750
01:26:10,799 --> 01:26:08,219
what when you go go back and watch that

1751
01:26:12,839 --> 01:26:10,809
accidents like a really good guitar solo

1752
01:26:17,100 --> 01:26:12,849
you know those accidents that happen in

1753
01:26:19,259 --> 01:26:17,110
a good solo turned out to be what people

1754
01:26:22,500 --> 01:26:19,269
talk about in the future that accident

1755
01:26:22,949 --> 01:26:22,510
in the film may have happened for a

1756
01:26:24,540 --> 01:26:22,959
reason

1757
01:26:26,790 --> 01:26:24,550
and you need to think about that for so

1758
01:26:28,770 --> 01:26:26,800
you take a picture or a video of it and

1759
01:26:30,239 --> 01:26:28,780
tweeted at us because I think we I think

1760
01:26:32,759 --> 01:26:30,249
we all need to see this yeah it sounds

1761
01:26:36,959 --> 01:26:32,769
really cool and also you unintentionally

1762
01:26:38,520 --> 01:26:36,969
just quoted almost famous oh yeah my

1763
01:26:42,739 --> 01:26:38,530
billing credit goes a little kid and

1764
01:26:47,429 --> 01:26:45,029
let's take a break right here but it's

1765
01:26:48,959 --> 01:26:47,439
really true when you think about it it's

1766
01:26:52,199 --> 01:26:48,969
really true the mistakes that people

1767
01:26:54,419 --> 01:26:52,209
remember right there you go our guest

1768
01:26:58,500 --> 01:26:54,429
tonight Justin Benson Erin Moorhead

1769
01:26:59,879 --> 01:26:58,510
creators of the film the endless more of

1770
01:27:01,290 --> 01:26:59,889
this conversation when we come back

1771
01:27:02,680 --> 01:27:01,300
state to black on their Jimmy Church

1772
01:27:08,680 --> 01:27:02,690
stay with us

1773
01:27:08,690 --> 01:27:18,510
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01:27:24,720 --> 01:27:21,689
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01:27:27,220 --> 01:27:24,730
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01:29:32,630 --> 01:29:30,810
and so does the CIA jgr a radio calm you

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01:29:36,580 --> 01:29:32,640
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1820
01:29:39,950 --> 01:29:36,590
Jimmy Church on the game changer Network

1821
01:29:42,830 --> 01:29:39,960
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1822
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Jamie Church this is revolution the

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01:30:37,230 --> 01:30:34,020
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Church radio.com

1835
01:30:58,380 --> 01:30:57,040
our guest tonight Justin Benson and

1836
01:31:02,430 --> 01:30:58,390
Aaron Moorhead we're talking about their

1837
01:31:05,910 --> 01:31:02,440
film the endless and now the success of

1838
01:31:09,360 --> 01:31:05,920
the film what does it suggest I'm gonna

1839
01:31:13,230 --> 01:31:09,370
throw this to Aaron Aaron this the

1840
01:31:17,580 --> 01:31:13,240
success of the film does that does that

1841
01:31:20,340 --> 01:31:17,590
indicate the the thirst for knowledge in

1842
01:31:24,030 --> 01:31:20,350
in these subject matters that people are

1843
01:31:25,980 --> 01:31:24,040
out there looking for this and and does

1844
01:31:28,200 --> 01:31:25,990
that impress you you know we have

1845
01:31:32,430 --> 01:31:28,210
everything going on ancient aliens and

1846
01:31:34,890 --> 01:31:32,440
coast to coast am and and the the recent

1847
01:31:37,920 --> 01:31:34,900
stuff with a UFOs and the mass media

1848
01:31:39,960 --> 01:31:37,930
over the last six months you know that

1849
01:31:43,980 --> 01:31:39,970
they are coming to this film because

1850
01:31:46,620 --> 01:31:43,990
they want answers yeah our movie begins

1851
01:31:48,990 --> 01:31:46,630
with a loved craft quote that talks

1852
01:31:54,990 --> 01:31:49,000
about the fear of the unknown being the

1853
01:31:56,400 --> 01:31:55,000
oldest human emotion and that is true we

1854
01:32:00,000 --> 01:31:56,410
believe it that's why we opened the film

1855
01:32:03,810 --> 01:32:00,010
with it but fascination with the unknown

1856
01:32:05,400 --> 01:32:03,820
is probably just as just as familiar to

1857
01:32:07,260 --> 01:32:05,410
anyone that would listen to this show

1858
01:32:09,990 --> 01:32:07,270
but also any anyone who watch those

1859
01:32:14,910 --> 01:32:10,000
movies or anyone who has a pulse really

1860
01:32:16,470 --> 01:32:14,920
and I I don't think that I've never met

1861
01:32:18,210 --> 01:32:16,480
anybody that says oh I don't like the

1862
01:32:21,060 --> 01:32:18,220
twilight zone or like the x-files or

1863
01:32:24,630 --> 01:32:21,070
anything like that things that things

1864
01:32:29,910 --> 01:32:24,640
that tickle are are fancy and we've been

1865
01:32:32,280 --> 01:32:29,920
taught either by you know trial by fire

1866
01:32:34,890 --> 01:32:32,290
or actually it's just been said to us

1867
01:32:36,510 --> 01:32:34,900
the audience's are dumb and we keep on

1868
01:32:40,250 --> 01:32:36,520
getting surprised at how smart and

1869
01:32:44,189 --> 01:32:40,260
sophisticated they are and how and how

1870
01:32:48,000 --> 01:32:44,199
complex the subject matter they

1871
01:32:49,709 --> 01:32:48,010
to watch actually ends up being so the

1872
01:32:53,189 --> 01:32:49,719
fact that the movie like the endless

1873
01:32:56,490 --> 01:32:53,199
which was made on you know with a paper

1874
01:32:58,830 --> 01:32:56,500
clip and some bubblegum and and a little

1875
01:33:00,180 --> 01:32:58,840
bit of money and and was mostly just a

1876
01:33:01,890 --> 01:33:00,190
movie that we thought was gonna be

1877
01:33:03,689 --> 01:33:01,900
really interesting and we trusted that

1878
01:33:07,080 --> 01:33:03,699
everyone else would as well but it's

1879
01:33:09,000 --> 01:33:07,090
it's fairly bizarre without being

1880
01:33:11,540 --> 01:33:09,010
full-on arthouse in any way it's it

1881
01:33:13,800 --> 01:33:11,550
still got very commercial sensibilities

1882
01:33:17,490 --> 01:33:13,810
the fact that people have been able to

1883
01:33:20,340 --> 01:33:17,500
embrace that gives a lot of hope for not

1884
01:33:22,649 --> 01:33:20,350
just movies and movie watching but just

1885
01:33:26,160 --> 01:33:22,659
for the fact that people are still very

1886
01:33:28,979 --> 01:33:26,170
much interested in in the unknown now

1887
01:33:33,270 --> 01:33:28,989
I'm gonna throw this over to Justin and

1888
01:33:35,130 --> 01:33:33,280
that is the rope okay one of the coolest

1889
01:33:38,490 --> 01:33:35,140
scenes in the film there's a lot of

1890
01:33:43,140 --> 01:33:38,500
really spectacular moments in the film

1891
01:33:47,970 --> 01:33:43,150
but the rope sequence was very clever

1892
01:33:50,399 --> 01:33:47,980
and also very original I had never seen

1893
01:33:52,320 --> 01:33:50,409
anything like that the idea behind it

1894
01:34:00,290 --> 01:33:52,330
okay so said Justin where did that come

1895
01:34:06,510 --> 01:34:02,939
primary objectives in mind and coming up

1896
01:34:07,649 --> 01:34:06,520
with that scene one is is that you know

1897
01:34:11,100 --> 01:34:07,659
you really want to give people the

1898
01:34:15,209 --> 01:34:11,110
thrill ride of being frightened of the

1899
01:34:17,459 --> 01:34:15,219
unknown that is one of the few ways you

1900
01:34:19,200 --> 01:34:17,469
can get people into a movie theater to

1901
01:34:24,990 --> 01:34:19,210
watch independent film when you don't

1902
01:34:26,990 --> 01:34:25,000
have you know Jake Gyllenhaal or or

1903
01:34:28,890 --> 01:34:27,000
Scarlett Johansson in the movie that

1904
01:34:31,200 --> 01:34:28,900
took people and to get them in the

1905
01:34:33,120 --> 01:34:31,210
theater the thing you can do that's in

1906
01:34:34,590 --> 01:34:33,130
your power usually as a filmmaker is you

1907
01:34:36,840 --> 01:34:34,600
again you can give that rollercoaster

1908
01:34:40,320 --> 01:34:36,850
ride of being scared and there was

1909
01:34:42,450 --> 01:34:40,330
something about that idea of playing tug

1910
01:34:44,100 --> 01:34:42,460
of war with something massive in the

1911
01:34:45,720 --> 01:34:44,110
distance and you know its massive

1912
01:34:47,810 --> 01:34:45,730
because the ropes going up into the air

1913
01:34:50,640 --> 01:34:47,820
up into the sky up into the darkness and

1914
01:34:53,490 --> 01:34:50,650
you don't quite know what's at the other

1915
01:34:55,530 --> 01:34:53,500
end of that rope and now that that is

1916
01:34:57,570 --> 01:34:55,540
true that is the objective there is is

1917
01:35:00,810 --> 01:34:57,580
to given thrill is to scare your audio

1918
01:35:03,090 --> 01:35:00,820
and give them that that fun ride now

1919
01:35:04,740 --> 01:35:03,100
that also said that it is a that's

1920
01:35:08,070 --> 01:35:04,750
something that's a way of doing that

1921
01:35:10,470 --> 01:35:08,080
that is very cheap I hope that is you

1922
01:35:15,690 --> 01:35:10,480
know it requires a rope

1923
01:35:19,980 --> 01:35:15,700
it requires the night sky and in our

1924
01:35:22,440 --> 01:35:19,990
case I'm reluctant to say this a pulley

1925
01:35:24,870 --> 01:35:22,450
and a tree and in your key grip pulling

1926
01:35:26,370 --> 01:35:24,880
on a rope on the other end and then and

1927
01:35:27,540 --> 01:35:26,380
then getting it and then Aaron crushing

1928
01:35:28,920 --> 01:35:27,550
the blacks way down and visual effects

1929
01:35:30,120 --> 01:35:28,930
removing the trees putting some moons

1930
01:35:34,050 --> 01:35:30,130
making it look like it's actually going

1931
01:35:36,840 --> 01:35:34,060
into nowhere but but yeah it was it was

1932
01:35:41,880 --> 01:35:36,850
something that in in art filmmaking

1933
01:35:43,410 --> 01:35:41,890
toolbox and and also if if you know on

1934
01:35:45,030 --> 01:35:43,420
this very low-budget movie if everyone

1935
01:35:47,730 --> 01:35:45,040
left we felt like we could we could

1936
01:35:51,180 --> 01:35:47,740
accomplish this we could do it it was it

1937
01:35:53,370 --> 01:35:51,190
was something that we could execute on

1938
01:35:55,410 --> 01:35:53,380
our own if we had to we actually found

1939
01:35:58,380 --> 01:35:55,420
it to be much more complex how to do it

1940
01:35:59,730 --> 01:35:58,390
and we previously thought but but yeah

1941
01:36:02,060 --> 01:35:59,740
it was that it was just it was try it

1942
01:36:04,860 --> 01:36:02,070
was coming up with I with set pieces but

1943
01:36:06,480 --> 01:36:04,870
that were simultaneously thrilling and

1944
01:36:11,370 --> 01:36:06,490
that and also things that we would be

1945
01:36:14,910 --> 01:36:11,380
able to do on our own well see now there

1946
01:36:18,390 --> 01:36:14,920
are there word is seemed to seem to

1947
01:36:21,870 --> 01:36:18,400
scene act 1 act 2 act 3 where the

1948
01:36:25,410 --> 01:36:21,880
audience is left to their own

1949
01:36:27,780 --> 01:36:25,420
imagination and you don't know if this

1950
01:36:30,360 --> 01:36:27,790
is actually supernatural or something

1951
01:36:35,130 --> 01:36:30,370
strange or maybe it's in just in the

1952
01:36:37,740 --> 01:36:35,140
camp Arcadia populations Minds right you

1953
01:36:41,070 --> 01:36:37,750
don't you don't really know and then

1954
01:36:43,320 --> 01:36:41,080
that rope scene comes along and now the

1955
01:36:48,050 --> 01:36:43,330
question is kind of answered for

1956
01:36:50,490 --> 01:36:48,060
everybody including you two as being

1957
01:36:52,830 --> 01:36:50,500
friends there that there is something

1958
01:36:56,010 --> 01:36:52,840
else going on here and it's a terrifying

1959
01:37:00,510 --> 01:36:56,020
scene it's it's really well done and

1960
01:37:01,860 --> 01:37:00,520
very simple but it's it now suggest to

1961
01:37:03,480 --> 01:37:01,870
everybody that there's something else

1962
01:37:05,610 --> 01:37:03,490
going on and you've got to figure it out

1963
01:37:08,960 --> 01:37:05,620
as an audience

1964
01:37:12,330 --> 01:37:08,970
thank you yeah yeah but there is a

1965
01:37:16,110 --> 01:37:12,340
there's also interesting you saying that

1966
01:37:22,230 --> 01:37:16,120
made me think of this is that typically

1967
01:37:25,260 --> 01:37:22,240
in stories about cults you they take you

1968
01:37:26,730 --> 01:37:25,270
to they you start to get convinced that

1969
01:37:29,340 --> 01:37:26,740
there's possibly something otherworldly

1970
01:37:30,720 --> 01:37:29,350
at play and then it's pulled back as

1971
01:37:33,930 --> 01:37:30,730
know that it wasn't that at all like

1972
01:37:35,100 --> 01:37:33,940
this some good examples would be true

1973
01:37:36,810 --> 01:37:35,110
detective actually be a pretty good

1974
01:37:38,340 --> 01:37:36,820
example because they are technically

1975
01:37:39,570 --> 01:37:38,350
investigating a cult and then but you

1976
01:37:42,360 --> 01:37:39,580
feel like I do any view something

1977
01:37:44,850 --> 01:37:42,370
supernatural and then another good want

1978
01:37:47,130 --> 01:37:44,860
to be like Kevin Smith's red state the

1979
01:37:49,700 --> 01:37:47,140
final moment it turns out that the

1980
01:37:51,840 --> 01:37:49,710
supernatural noise in the distance is

1981
01:37:55,260 --> 01:37:51,850
nothing and nothing is the neighbors

1982
01:37:57,750 --> 01:37:55,270
it's not supernatural ty West the

1983
01:37:58,710 --> 01:37:57,760
sacrament is marketed as being in the

1984
01:38:00,210 --> 01:37:58,720
key are it looks like it's gonna be a

1985
01:38:04,800 --> 01:38:00,220
supernatural something any watchin it's

1986
01:38:06,720 --> 01:38:04,810
like oh no there's it's not that and the

1987
01:38:07,830 --> 01:38:06,730
leftovers is another ones they go

1988
01:38:09,240 --> 01:38:07,840
there's a cult in it they might be

1989
01:38:10,290 --> 01:38:09,250
reversing something supernatural has a

1990
01:38:14,130 --> 01:38:10,300
show goes on you realize it's probably

1991
01:38:16,050 --> 01:38:14,140
more natural occurrence there was

1992
01:38:17,400 --> 01:38:16,060
something fun about flipping that and by

1993
01:38:19,530 --> 01:38:17,410
just leaning totally into the

1994
01:38:21,840 --> 01:38:19,540
otherworldly and that the cult is

1995
01:38:24,630 --> 01:38:21,850
actually doing something supernatural

1996
01:38:26,070 --> 01:38:24,640
yeah because a lot of films of course

1997
01:38:28,710 --> 01:38:26,080
there's plenty of films where the the

1998
01:38:30,810 --> 01:38:28,720
supernatural actually happens but a lot

1999
01:38:32,730 --> 01:38:30,820
of the time you you kind of just assume

2000
01:38:34,050 --> 01:38:32,740
it because you're watching a movie you

2001
01:38:35,910 --> 01:38:34,060
know you're watching a vampire werewolf

2002
01:38:36,900 --> 01:38:35,920
movie or whatever there's like oh yeah

2003
01:38:39,030 --> 01:38:36,910
you're in a world with the supernatural

2004
01:38:41,070 --> 01:38:39,040
is real and we wanted to make it our

2005
01:38:43,950 --> 01:38:41,080
world where the supernatural is not real

2006
01:38:47,280 --> 01:38:43,960
and then all of a sudden something like

2007
01:38:49,950 --> 01:38:47,290
it is and you truly have to deal with it

2008
01:38:52,380 --> 01:38:49,960
emotionally as well as in the visceral

2009
01:38:55,580 --> 01:38:52,390
way that you know it's not it's not

2010
01:38:59,060 --> 01:38:55,590
always benevolent well then there is

2011
01:39:01,380 --> 01:38:59,070
again for everybody listening to us

2012
01:39:03,480 --> 01:39:01,390
we're not going to give away anything in

2013
01:39:07,380 --> 01:39:03,490
the film I'm not going to do that as and

2014
01:39:11,310 --> 01:39:07,390
and so but there are elements in the

2015
01:39:13,110 --> 01:39:11,320
film as these things start to unfold and

2016
01:39:14,850 --> 01:39:13,120
I feel safe talking about this now

2017
01:39:18,450 --> 01:39:14,860
because I've seen it tweeted now about

2018
01:39:22,200 --> 01:39:18,460
15 times in Twitter which is the

2019
01:39:24,810 --> 01:39:22,210
multiple moons the three moons and when

2020
01:39:28,950 --> 01:39:24,820
that scene happened that's another time

2021
01:39:31,500 --> 01:39:28,960
where as as a viewer to the film you're

2022
01:39:36,060 --> 01:39:31,510
like okay well okay things are not

2023
01:39:38,310 --> 01:39:36,070
normal here right now whose idea was it

2024
01:39:43,410 --> 01:39:38,320
for the three moons and where did it

2025
01:39:46,680 --> 01:39:43,420
come from I think that one was the

2026
01:39:51,270 --> 01:39:46,690
collaboration I remember what it was was

2027
01:39:54,690 --> 01:39:51,280
when Justin's character had left the

2028
01:39:58,850 --> 01:39:54,700
camp we needed something that basically

2029
01:40:03,510 --> 01:39:58,860
said there's a there's an amount of time

2030
01:40:05,760 --> 01:40:03,520
at which this deal expires basically it

2031
01:40:08,040 --> 01:40:05,770
was it was almost a purely screenwriting

2032
01:40:11,340 --> 01:40:08,050
function originally where it was just

2033
01:40:14,790 --> 01:40:11,350
how do we know that they have to leave

2034
01:40:17,370 --> 01:40:14,800
now or else otherwise if the three moons

2035
01:40:18,480 --> 01:40:17,380
thing didn't exist then one is the

2036
01:40:20,790 --> 01:40:18,490
audience wouldn't be able to track

2037
01:40:22,380 --> 01:40:20,800
what's really going on and two is

2038
01:40:26,220 --> 01:40:22,390
there's just no sense of urgency there's

2039
01:40:28,260 --> 01:40:26,230
no there's no need to hurry and so the

2040
01:40:30,660 --> 01:40:28,270
phrase four is the ticking time bomb

2041
01:40:32,250 --> 01:40:30,670
that that of course Alfred Hitchcock has

2042
01:40:36,870 --> 01:40:32,260
talked about you know the bomb under the

2043
01:40:38,340 --> 01:40:36,880
table and and I think that that was the

2044
01:40:39,630 --> 01:40:38,350
original conversation I don't remember

2045
01:40:42,150 --> 01:40:39,640
who said it was should be three moons

2046
01:40:44,400 --> 01:40:42,160
around I think I was trying to figure

2047
01:40:45,510 --> 01:40:44,410
out things that I knew well there's

2048
01:40:48,060 --> 01:40:45,520
several things at play trying to figure

2049
01:40:50,130 --> 01:40:48,070
out things that I knew Aaron could could

2050
01:40:51,780 --> 01:40:50,140
do with 2d compositing oh yeah and you

2051
01:40:53,520 --> 01:40:51,790
would composite so many moons into our

2052
01:40:54,930 --> 01:40:53,530
movies it was like okay well that that

2053
01:40:56,640 --> 01:40:54,940
that makes sense but beat but it's not

2054
01:40:59,190 --> 01:40:56,650
just that they makes it sound arbitrary

2055
01:41:03,780 --> 01:40:59,200
the other big thing was that it needed

2056
01:41:05,520 --> 01:41:03,790
to be something that that you know for

2057
01:41:07,680 --> 01:41:05,530
example when you think back on your

2058
01:41:09,390 --> 01:41:07,690
childhood and you remember things

2059
01:41:11,130 --> 01:41:09,400
sometimes things are much weirder than

2060
01:41:13,170 --> 01:41:11,140
like you accept accepted them as a child

2061
01:41:14,580 --> 01:41:13,180
that you grow up and you think back yeah

2062
01:41:18,060 --> 01:41:14,590
wait a second that was actually really

2063
01:41:19,050 --> 01:41:18,070
weird and it seemed and it you know for

2064
01:41:21,450 --> 01:41:19,060
example if you grew up somewhere where

2065
01:41:22,890 --> 01:41:21,460
there was the Northern Lights and the

2066
01:41:24,960 --> 01:41:22,900
Northern Lights weren't a commonly known

2067
01:41:26,430 --> 01:41:24,970
thing you'd be like wait a second when I

2068
01:41:28,680 --> 01:41:26,440
was little was a really a bunch of weird

2069
01:41:30,510 --> 01:41:28,690
psychedelic colors in the sky right and

2070
01:41:31,960 --> 01:41:30,520
and then I moved away from that I

2071
01:41:34,570 --> 01:41:31,970
haven't seen it since that

2072
01:41:36,040 --> 01:41:34,580
and happen and then you'd go back and be

2073
01:41:37,540 --> 01:41:36,050
like all I guess it did and someone

2074
01:41:39,400 --> 01:41:37,550
would describe to you the science of

2075
01:41:41,290 --> 01:41:39,410
meeting like okay cool that makes sense

2076
01:41:43,180 --> 01:41:41,300
[Music]

2077
01:41:46,270 --> 01:41:43,190
three moons seemed like something like

2078
01:41:47,920 --> 01:41:46,280
that where you could you can just barely

2079
01:41:49,120 --> 01:41:47,930
make it logical that something else does

2080
01:41:51,280 --> 01:41:49,130
in the movie I think he's like it's like

2081
01:41:54,610 --> 01:41:51,290
an atmospheric mirroring effect it's

2082
01:41:56,430 --> 01:41:54,620
like okay I guess much sense as an

2083
01:41:59,560 --> 01:41:56,440
explanation the Northern Lights yeah

2084
01:42:02,230 --> 01:41:59,570
well and see there's there's another

2085
01:42:03,010 --> 01:42:02,240
interesting twist here now I didn't

2086
01:42:05,140 --> 01:42:03,020
write the film

2087
01:42:07,930 --> 01:42:05,150
I didn't direct the film I'm on the

2088
01:42:11,080 --> 01:42:07,940
other side of the fence but is the

2089
01:42:15,910 --> 01:42:11,090
second that the three moons are revealed

2090
01:42:18,100 --> 01:42:15,920
now it's not a local situation it's not

2091
01:42:19,870 --> 01:42:18,110
localized it's not some phenomena that's

2092
01:42:23,950 --> 01:42:19,880
happening happening at camp

2093
01:42:27,490 --> 01:42:23,960
Arcadia there is something else going on

2094
01:42:30,520 --> 01:42:27,500
here that is well it's off planet you

2095
01:42:33,550 --> 01:42:30,530
have three moons in the sky and that

2096
01:42:36,580 --> 01:42:33,560
suggests a whole other possibility here

2097
01:42:39,520 --> 01:42:36,590
as to what is going on not only at Camp

2098
01:42:42,630 --> 01:42:39,530
Arcadia but you know in our lives in

2099
01:42:45,010 --> 01:42:42,640
general yeah and it's something that

2100
01:42:47,830 --> 01:42:45,020
that's one of those fun things as

2101
01:42:50,350 --> 01:42:47,840
filmmakers that we we feel like we know

2102
01:42:52,330 --> 01:42:50,360
what happened and we set down rules for

2103
01:42:55,770 --> 01:42:52,340
ourselves and made sure that the movie

2104
01:42:59,140 --> 01:42:55,780
follows them and but we don't always

2105
01:43:00,970 --> 01:42:59,150
explicitly say what they are outside of

2106
01:43:03,520 --> 01:43:00,980
for example you know at the end of the

2107
01:43:05,080 --> 01:43:03,530
three moons is the ascension whatever

2108
01:43:06,520 --> 01:43:05,090
that whatever that means and that's

2109
01:43:11,200 --> 01:43:06,530
that's part of the mystery of the film

2110
01:43:13,600 --> 01:43:11,210
as well but but how the how exactly the

2111
01:43:15,370 --> 01:43:13,610
three moons happen Justin and I have an

2112
01:43:17,860 --> 01:43:15,380
answer for that but we we just don't

2113
01:43:19,840 --> 01:43:17,870
like to say it because it's just uh it

2114
01:43:22,360 --> 01:43:19,850
just it opens the mystery box in a way

2115
01:43:24,510 --> 01:43:22,370
that's not quite so fun you know for you

2116
01:43:28,390 --> 01:43:24,520
as a viewer and for us as the filmmaker

2117
01:43:31,990 --> 01:43:28,400
and I want to talk about the death cult

2118
01:43:33,790 --> 01:43:32,000
aspect of it because that's that's the

2119
01:43:36,850 --> 01:43:33,800
terminology and the verbage that you

2120
01:43:39,990 --> 01:43:36,860
guys chose for the film very touchy

2121
01:43:44,470 --> 01:43:40,000
subject you know a lot of people died

2122
01:43:44,840 --> 01:43:44,480
there is not only in society but in pop

2123
01:43:46,340 --> 01:43:44,850
coal

2124
01:43:48,710 --> 01:43:46,350
sure when you go back and look at like

2125
01:43:50,630 --> 01:43:48,720
something like Heaven's Gate or other

2126
01:43:52,610 --> 01:43:50,640
situations like that that have happened

2127
01:43:57,910 --> 01:43:52,620
around the world you're getting into a

2128
01:44:00,940 --> 01:43:57,920
zone here that is uncomfortable for many

2129
01:44:04,490 --> 01:44:00,950
how did you decide to tackle that

2130
01:44:06,500 --> 01:44:04,500
without you know the blowback coming

2131
01:44:12,740 --> 01:44:06,510
back onto you guys and using that as a

2132
01:44:14,750 --> 01:44:12,750
tool for writing a film you know without

2133
01:44:16,940 --> 01:44:14,760
without being too spoilery with the

2134
01:44:22,520 --> 01:44:16,950
answer I think that we ultimately felt

2135
01:44:24,770 --> 01:44:22,530
like that there is a reveal in the movie

2136
01:44:26,810 --> 01:44:24,780
that that you could argue you're

2137
01:44:30,320 --> 01:44:26,820
actually not necessarily what actually

2138
01:44:31,880 --> 01:44:30,330
watching a movie about a death cult now

2139
01:44:35,000 --> 01:44:31,890
you can argue this video every ways

2140
01:44:37,700 --> 01:44:35,010
technically yes maybe in some ways but

2141
01:44:39,230 --> 01:44:37,710
but in a lot of ways you're how do I

2142
01:44:43,400 --> 01:44:39,240
sort answer the question without

2143
01:44:48,220 --> 01:44:43,410
spoiling it yeah yeah but but there is a

2144
01:44:56,600 --> 01:44:54,920
it's ultimately not analogous to death

2145
01:44:57,140 --> 01:44:56,610
cults from our real world there's a good

2146
01:44:58,970 --> 01:44:57,150
way to play

2147
01:45:00,560 --> 01:44:58,980
maybe maybe another way let me try

2148
01:45:04,940 --> 01:45:00,570
something else and I'm so sorry if I

2149
01:45:09,260 --> 01:45:04,950
misspeak here a death cult is only a

2150
01:45:12,590 --> 01:45:09,270
tragedy if if if what they're doing

2151
01:45:14,060 --> 01:45:12,600
isn't real or you know what I mean like

2152
01:45:15,830 --> 01:45:14,070
if they're if what they're doing is just

2153
01:45:19,820 --> 01:45:15,840
ending their lives and that's the end of

2154
01:45:22,940 --> 01:45:19,830
it in the case of this movie there's

2155
01:45:24,680 --> 01:45:22,950
something else happening but I don't

2156
01:45:26,030 --> 01:45:24,690
know how else to put it without starting

2157
01:45:27,470 --> 01:45:26,040
to actually talk about the mechanics in

2158
01:45:28,790 --> 01:45:27,480
the movie because that's we're talking

2159
01:45:33,290 --> 01:45:28,800
about the third act at this point you

2160
01:45:36,370 --> 01:45:33,300
know right right the I'm so

2161
01:45:40,760 --> 01:45:36,380
uncomfortable even on this program

2162
01:45:43,910 --> 01:45:40,770
talking about Heaven's Gate and and what

2163
01:45:47,620 --> 01:45:43,920
went on down there because I have my own

2164
01:45:50,870 --> 01:45:47,630
belief system too as well I've seen my

2165
01:45:52,760 --> 01:45:50,880
I've seen all the evidence that I have

2166
01:45:54,320 --> 01:45:52,770
you know that I need personally to know

2167
01:45:55,790 --> 01:45:54,330
that we are not alone and we are being

2168
01:45:58,060 --> 01:45:55,800
visited here we talked about that

2169
01:46:02,140 --> 01:45:58,070
earlier so there's that part of it

2170
01:46:04,420 --> 01:46:02,150
but the Heaven's Gate situation I don't

2171
01:46:06,460 --> 01:46:04,430
want any of my audience members to

2172
01:46:09,370 --> 01:46:06,470
listen to me and go take some advice

2173
01:46:12,310 --> 01:46:09,380
right or treat that as advice or be

2174
01:46:16,870 --> 01:46:12,320
reactionary so I'm always very cautious

2175
01:46:18,690 --> 01:46:16,880
about that and to address it in the film

2176
01:46:22,030 --> 01:46:18,700
like you guys did I thought it was

2177
01:46:24,820 --> 01:46:22,040
brilliantly done but it's also a zone

2178
01:46:26,800 --> 01:46:24,830
that most people just completely avoid

2179
01:46:28,900 --> 01:46:26,810
you know they don't want they they don't

2180
01:46:33,420 --> 01:46:28,910
want to bear that responsibility Aaron

2181
01:46:36,130 --> 01:46:33,430
go ahead you can answer oh no oh I was

2182
01:46:40,480 --> 01:46:36,140
Justin actually and it's it's a it's a

2183
01:46:44,770 --> 01:46:40,490
thing where again it's it's hard to talk

2184
01:46:46,660 --> 01:46:44,780
about without spoiling it but there's so

2185
01:46:49,410 --> 01:46:46,670
much dishonest that there's so much

2186
01:46:53,860 --> 01:46:49,420
acknowledged dishonesty within the story

2187
01:46:55,510 --> 01:46:53,870
about the claims that are similar to

2188
01:46:58,030 --> 01:46:55,520
things that happen didn't have any skate

2189
01:46:59,290 --> 01:46:58,040
that ultimately it does become something

2190
01:47:03,550 --> 01:46:59,300
or it's like it's hard to imagine

2191
01:47:07,060 --> 01:47:03,560
someone would be offended by it and then

2192
01:47:11,020 --> 01:47:07,070
and then if you separate out just you

2193
01:47:12,430 --> 01:47:11,030
know the Phoebe issue of suicide when we

2194
01:47:15,100 --> 01:47:12,440
were making the film this is really dark

2195
01:47:18,100 --> 01:47:15,110
but we were making the film my mom took

2196
01:47:19,960 --> 01:47:18,110
her own life and even being in that

2197
01:47:22,630 --> 01:47:19,970
situation and then you know making this

2198
01:47:25,450 --> 01:47:22,640
film that had suicide in it I didn't

2199
01:47:27,790 --> 01:47:25,460
feel offended by anything in the story

2200
01:47:29,860 --> 01:47:27,800
and granted that we developed us and I

2201
01:47:32,200 --> 01:47:29,870
wrote it so that's easy to say but I

2202
01:47:34,180 --> 01:47:32,210
still didn't I even having that

2203
01:47:37,330 --> 01:47:34,190
traumatic event and having it that close

2204
01:47:42,310 --> 01:47:37,340
to home I didn't feel I didn't feel like

2205
01:47:45,000 --> 01:47:42,320
anything and it was offensive I don't

2206
01:47:48,250 --> 01:47:45,010
know how to react to that as a show host

2207
01:47:50,890 --> 01:47:48,260
that's okay

2208
01:47:52,540 --> 01:47:50,900
let's let's stay right there what you

2209
01:47:56,050 --> 01:47:52,550
just said is exactly what I'm talking

2210
01:47:58,900 --> 01:47:56,060
about right so so you're saying that

2211
01:48:01,660 --> 01:47:58,910
your your mother took her own life and

2212
01:48:05,170 --> 01:48:01,670
you were still able to pursue the film

2213
01:48:06,370 --> 01:48:05,180
from that angle because if you were

2214
01:48:08,020 --> 01:48:06,380
comfortable with it with your own

2215
01:48:08,879 --> 01:48:08,030
personal experience that you were going

2216
01:48:11,939 --> 01:48:08,889
through

2217
01:48:13,770 --> 01:48:11,949
than so with the audience yeah yeah

2218
01:48:16,620 --> 01:48:13,780
that's we actually talked about it I was

2219
01:48:18,330 --> 01:48:16,630
I go like it that there was it we sold

2220
01:48:21,299 --> 01:48:18,340
to shoot those scenes you know that

2221
01:48:22,350 --> 01:48:21,309
there are scenes of them it gets spoiler

2222
01:48:24,089 --> 01:48:22,360
you talking about whether it's actually

2223
01:48:27,060 --> 01:48:24,099
a suicide or not but there there are

2224
01:48:31,049 --> 01:48:27,070
scenes in it that somewhat graphically

2225
01:48:33,479 --> 01:48:31,059
deal with it but it's all through such a

2226
01:48:37,919 --> 01:48:33,489
prism of science fiction and it's also

2227
01:48:40,250 --> 01:48:37,929
heavily linked to meth like to to to

2228
01:48:42,330 --> 01:48:40,260
other prominent themes in the film

2229
01:48:44,189 --> 01:48:42,340
conformity and I'd say conformity and

2230
01:48:50,040 --> 01:48:44,199
not repeating you know your own mistakes

2231
01:48:52,500 --> 01:48:50,050
and and and and and that it's it's sort

2232
01:48:54,299 --> 01:48:52,510
of in service of the of this sort of

2233
01:48:57,209 --> 01:48:54,309
invented mythology and other world the

2234
01:48:59,009 --> 01:48:57,219
elements that it didn't it just even

2235
01:49:00,810 --> 01:48:59,019
again even with that event in my life

2236
01:49:05,429 --> 01:49:00,820
and just right even at that time I

2237
01:49:07,859 --> 01:49:05,439
didn't feel as a survivor of it but it

2238
01:49:10,560 --> 01:49:07,869
was yeah I didn't didn't trigger

2239
01:49:13,919 --> 01:49:10,570
anything for me did you guys you

2240
01:49:15,810 --> 01:49:13,929
mentioned earlier Sedona and I don't

2241
01:49:19,439 --> 01:49:15,820
want that to get away from me did you

2242
01:49:22,799 --> 01:49:19,449
visit sites like Sedona and Joshua Tree

2243
01:49:28,290 --> 01:49:22,809
and maybe II said II where there have

2244
01:49:31,529 --> 01:49:28,300
been many reports of vortexes and and

2245
01:49:34,469 --> 01:49:31,539
loops and and and and you know special

2246
01:49:36,359 --> 01:49:34,479
areas geographically and did you go out

2247
01:49:40,469 --> 01:49:36,369
and and talk to the people that live

2248
01:49:43,109 --> 01:49:40,479
there no we didn't we didn't go out and

2249
01:49:44,729 --> 01:49:43,119
do any particular research that said

2250
01:49:48,750 --> 01:49:44,739
that we live in Southern California and

2251
01:49:52,979 --> 01:49:48,760
we we have a fascination with with I

2252
01:49:54,989 --> 01:49:52,989
guess oddities is the word and so we've

2253
01:49:58,139 --> 01:49:54,999
been to a lot of those places but it

2254
01:50:01,439 --> 01:49:58,149
wasn't in so much as a pilgrimage or to

2255
01:50:04,799 --> 01:50:01,449
or research as was that have just just

2256
01:50:07,109 --> 01:50:04,809
balled curiosity and so we end up there

2257
01:50:08,790 --> 01:50:07,119
and we think it's really interesting and

2258
01:50:11,429 --> 01:50:08,800
we'll we'll see sometimes people have

2259
01:50:15,209 --> 01:50:11,439
founded a community or or whatever

2260
01:50:17,219 --> 01:50:15,219
whatever is happening but but it wasn't

2261
01:50:20,009 --> 01:50:17,229
that we sat down with people who who

2262
01:50:22,649 --> 01:50:20,019
have had the experience purposefully in

2263
01:50:25,379 --> 01:50:22,659
order to make this film it was more that

2264
01:50:27,689 --> 01:50:25,389
sometimes we bump into them or sometimes

2265
01:50:29,910 --> 01:50:27,699
we'd listen to them call in to you know

2266
01:50:31,979 --> 01:50:29,920
say a show like this or we would or we

2267
01:50:37,379 --> 01:50:31,989
would you know just read about it

2268
01:50:38,760 --> 01:50:37,389
somehow it comes from all places I still

2269
01:50:40,470 --> 01:50:38,770
I've been to Sedona and I've seen the

2270
01:50:47,490 --> 01:50:40,480
spiraling trees and I've looked it up

2271
01:50:49,590 --> 01:50:47,500
and I still don't understand no one

2272
01:50:51,419 --> 01:50:49,600
actually does when you look it up

2273
01:50:53,520 --> 01:50:51,429
there's really just theories whether

2274
01:50:55,439 --> 01:50:53,530
like it's probably this but even like

2275
01:50:57,030 --> 01:50:55,449
people are researchers are kind of

2276
01:51:01,709 --> 01:50:57,040
baffled I think I could be wrong on that

2277
01:51:03,180 --> 01:51:01,719
but have either of you seen anything in

2278
01:51:08,899 --> 01:51:03,190
the sky that you can't explain

2279
01:51:11,399 --> 01:51:08,909
I wish so bad have you you haven't right

2280
01:51:16,140 --> 01:51:11,409
I've never seen anything in the sky I

2281
01:51:18,720 --> 01:51:16,150
can't explain but I actually my dad is a

2282
01:51:21,479 --> 01:51:18,730
huge skeptic of everything and and it's

2283
01:51:24,030 --> 01:51:21,489
like hardcore atheist never bleep like

2284
01:51:25,560 --> 01:51:24,040
hardcore science and like never believe

2285
01:51:27,540 --> 01:51:25,570
anything and all of a sudden like a

2286
01:51:30,510 --> 01:51:27,550
month ago he's like yeah so I saw a UFO

2287
01:51:34,350 --> 01:51:30,520
UFO out by mammoth I never told you I

2288
01:51:36,390 --> 01:51:34,360
never told you oh that's great

2289
01:51:39,689 --> 01:51:36,400
oh love it when it happens to those

2290
01:51:42,510 --> 01:51:39,699
types too as well yeah that's the thing

2291
01:51:44,939 --> 01:51:42,520
I'm one of those types and I deeply want

2292
01:51:47,970 --> 01:51:44,949
it to happen and I have a friend from

2293
01:51:49,800 --> 01:51:47,980
childhood who I went and played pool

2294
01:51:52,530 --> 01:51:49,810
with you know there over Christmas break

2295
01:51:54,300 --> 01:51:52,540
and in Florida and he's just like you

2296
01:51:56,340 --> 01:51:54,310
come over one night and I'll show you a

2297
01:51:58,620 --> 01:51:56,350
fuzz you're gonna love him one night and

2298
01:52:00,570 --> 01:51:58,630
I kept on thinking like and and then I

2299
01:52:01,950 --> 01:52:00,580
was like hey Chris you're that's crazy

2300
01:52:04,350 --> 01:52:01,960
you know of course that's crazy he's

2301
01:52:04,860 --> 01:52:04,360
like no man one night just come on over

2302
01:52:06,990 --> 01:52:04,870
one night

2303
01:52:08,340 --> 01:52:07,000
why were you losing a suburb is aluminum

2304
01:52:10,229 --> 01:52:08,350
with middle of nowhere so he's like

2305
01:52:12,810 --> 01:52:10,239
talking about this finding UFOs anywhere

2306
01:52:14,280 --> 01:52:12,820
and I was really into it but I just I

2307
01:52:16,439 --> 01:52:14,290
wasn't able to add to slip on over

2308
01:52:20,790 --> 01:52:16,449
because I was really hoping he was

2309
01:52:22,169 --> 01:52:20,800
totally right all you have to do and I'm

2310
01:52:23,939 --> 01:52:22,179
being serious about this it's a

2311
01:52:26,669 --> 01:52:23,949
guarantee there are no guarantees in

2312
01:52:29,850 --> 01:52:26,679
life but I'm giving you one now all you

2313
01:52:32,250 --> 01:52:29,860
have to do is go up to e Sethi ranch up

2314
01:52:35,260 --> 01:52:32,260
in Washington you've heard about the

2315
01:52:38,740 --> 01:52:35,270
place just go up to e SETI

2316
01:52:41,530 --> 01:52:38,750
and spend one night there and go out on

2317
01:52:43,330 --> 01:52:41,540
the field of dreams and where everybody

2318
01:52:45,970 --> 01:52:43,340
gathers every night every night there's

2319
01:52:48,820 --> 01:52:45,980
probably any night of the week there's

2320
01:52:52,080 --> 01:52:48,830
50 people out there but just go out

2321
01:52:57,670 --> 01:52:52,090
there and spend a couple of hours and

2322
01:53:02,290 --> 01:52:57,680
that is the Epiphany I I'm just telling

2323
01:53:03,670 --> 01:53:02,300
you that's just a dumb skeptics question

2324
01:53:06,220 --> 01:53:03,680
isn't the answer but just someone who

2325
01:53:07,300 --> 01:53:06,230
hasn't seen it but like there's nobody

2326
01:53:09,820 --> 01:53:07,310
try to record this

2327
01:53:15,130 --> 01:53:09,830
oh it's recorded every day Oh they've

2328
01:53:18,040 --> 01:53:15,140
got thousands of videos I'm gonna say it

2329
01:53:21,160 --> 01:53:18,050
like this if I had somebody that was a

2330
01:53:24,850 --> 01:53:21,170
hardcore skeptic atheist scientist type

2331
01:53:27,010 --> 01:53:24,860
that laughed at all of this and that's

2332
01:53:30,970 --> 01:53:27,020
where I would take them and I would just

2333
01:53:33,400 --> 01:53:30,980
sit and laugh Wow it's it's it's crazy

2334
01:53:35,710 --> 01:53:33,410
we were up there last year we're gonna

2335
01:53:37,990 --> 01:53:35,720
be up there in August August 9th through

2336
01:53:39,640 --> 01:53:38,000
the 12th we're having a fade to black

2337
01:53:43,630 --> 01:53:39,650
conference up there it's called soul

2338
01:53:45,070 --> 01:53:43,640
tech and and I not already know what's

2339
01:53:49,300 --> 01:53:45,080
gonna happen up there but we were there

2340
01:53:52,540 --> 01:53:49,310
last year for four nights and the stuff

2341
01:53:54,010 --> 01:53:52,550
that happened to us every single night

2342
01:53:56,160 --> 01:53:54,020
we had about a hundred and fifty people

2343
01:53:59,680 --> 01:53:56,170
out there all at the same time and

2344
01:54:02,860 --> 01:53:59,690
you've never heard so many loud laughs

2345
01:54:05,020 --> 01:54:02,870
and screams and oohs and aahs all

2346
01:54:08,110 --> 01:54:05,030
happening at the same time with stuff

2347
01:54:11,110 --> 01:54:08,120
that I just simply I just I can't

2348
01:54:12,940 --> 01:54:11,120
explain I can't explain I'll give this

2349
01:54:16,200 --> 01:54:12,950
to you the audience's heard the story

2350
01:54:20,800 --> 01:54:16,210
way too many times but we're out there

2351
01:54:22,780 --> 01:54:20,810
and just imagine this okay just just

2352
01:54:24,580 --> 01:54:22,790
unplug for a second and imagine this

2353
01:54:27,640 --> 01:54:24,590
right in the middle of this field lights

2354
01:54:30,840 --> 01:54:27,650
are off surrounded by forests and

2355
01:54:35,050 --> 01:54:30,850
Mountain atoms is in front of us and

2356
01:54:38,350 --> 01:54:35,060
from the South Mount Adams is to the

2357
01:54:41,290 --> 01:54:38,360
north so be over our shoulders somebody

2358
01:54:43,750 --> 01:54:41,300
yells and I turn around and I look and

2359
01:54:48,070 --> 01:54:43,760
now going from the south to the

2360
01:54:53,560 --> 01:54:48,080
northwest at an angle is

2361
01:54:55,810 --> 01:54:53,570
is around your classic disk thing and

2362
01:54:58,390 --> 01:54:55,820
I'm gonna say it's about a mile high

2363
01:55:00,700 --> 01:54:58,400
it's not very high okay it's low it's

2364
01:55:03,990 --> 01:55:00,710
not like it's 50,000 feet or a star or

2365
01:55:06,580 --> 01:55:04,000
whatever it's low and you can see it and

2366
01:55:08,350 --> 01:55:06,590
and it just comes across and it was so

2367
01:55:14,590 --> 01:55:08,360
low I thought that I could hear it and

2368
01:55:16,840 --> 01:55:14,600
it was a pink and it was like glowing

2369
01:55:19,720 --> 01:55:16,850
and it was a disc anyway so girls are

2370
01:55:23,320 --> 01:55:19,730
crying it's coming from right over us

2371
01:55:25,270 --> 01:55:23,330
and as it gets to 12 o'clock right above

2372
01:55:27,430 --> 01:55:25,280
us and everybody's yelling and screaming

2373
01:55:31,990 --> 01:55:27,440
and I'm looking at it right as against a

2374
01:55:35,730 --> 01:55:32,000
12 o'clock it flashes like a camera and

2375
01:55:39,880 --> 01:55:35,740
then and then as it goes past us it

2376
01:55:43,720 --> 01:55:39,890
started to turn like blue and it was

2377
01:55:47,500 --> 01:55:43,730
blue and pink and it just flew away now

2378
01:55:51,730 --> 01:55:47,510
I can't and Here I am trying to talk

2379
01:55:54,970 --> 01:55:51,740
rationally and and and talk about this

2380
01:55:56,620 --> 01:55:54,980
experience but I wasn't alone there was

2381
01:56:00,090 --> 01:55:56,630
a hundred and fifty people with me

2382
01:56:02,590 --> 01:56:00,100
and we all saw this thing but I don't

2383
01:56:04,180 --> 01:56:02,600
that that's it I'm just gonna leave it

2384
01:56:07,090 --> 01:56:04,190
out there on the table for the both of

2385
01:56:11,020 --> 01:56:07,100
you you just figure that out I can't

2386
01:56:13,930 --> 01:56:11,030
and it was photographed and video dand

2387
01:56:16,840 --> 01:56:13,940
and it was it was just absolutely

2388
01:56:17,260 --> 01:56:16,850
extraordinary and I loved every minute

2389
01:56:18,730 --> 01:56:17,270
of it

2390
01:56:22,570 --> 01:56:18,740
I still don't I can't tell you what it

2391
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was I can only tell you what we saw I'm

2392
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so jealous of that yeah it was

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incredible I'm excited about a day that

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we're all together in Washington

2395
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watching that happen again

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or something like it you know yeah it's

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a nice Eddie ranch man I'll talk to you

2398
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more about it tomorrow but if we could

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drag one of you up there I like I said I

2400
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okay let's take a break we're gonna come

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back and gotta get this last break-in

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and Aaron Moorhead Justin Benson

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creators of the film the endless and

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when we come back there's a couple of

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other loon

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tasty little morsels in the film but I

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want to get some answers on and one of

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02:01:40,520 --> 02:01:38,050
welcome back pay the black I'm rose to

2500
02:01:43,530 --> 02:01:40,530
be church follow me on Twitter agh radio

2501
02:01:46,620 --> 02:01:43,540
you can follow Justin at Justin Benson

2502
02:01:49,229 --> 02:01:46,630
you can follow Aaron at Aaron you know

2503
02:01:50,070 --> 02:01:49,239
what you know iron I wanted to ask

2504
02:01:52,680 --> 02:01:50,080
Huntington

2505
02:01:54,919 --> 02:01:52,690
why are there too many other Aaron more

2506
02:01:57,330 --> 02:01:54,929
heads out there that you have to do that

2507
02:01:59,580 --> 02:01:57,340
wait say that one ask that one more time

2508
02:02:02,370 --> 02:01:59,590
Huntington is there too many other air

2509
02:02:04,470 --> 02:02:02,380
and more heads out there no actually you

2510
02:02:06,689 --> 02:02:04,480
know it's funny I've met one other one

2511
02:02:08,129 --> 02:02:06,699
he was kind enough to show up to a

2512
02:02:10,410 --> 02:02:08,139
screening of the endless once it was

2513
02:02:13,770 --> 02:02:10,420
amazing it's trippy did he have the same

2514
02:02:15,060 --> 02:02:13,780
birthday no well actually I didn't ask

2515
02:02:16,830 --> 02:02:15,070
because I didn't want to I didn't want

2516
02:02:18,270 --> 02:02:16,840
to like actually look at him and touch

2517
02:02:21,030 --> 02:02:18,280
him and then cancel each other out

2518
02:02:23,850 --> 02:02:21,040
Yeah right exactly exactly and I do hate

2519
02:02:29,090 --> 02:02:23,860
that when that happens now a spoiler

2520
02:02:33,479 --> 02:02:29,100
alert everybody House of the Rising Sun

2521
02:02:36,120 --> 02:02:33,489
his Aaron is that your real voice when

2522
02:02:39,229 --> 02:02:36,130
we sing it oh yeah really I mean it

2523
02:02:45,750 --> 02:02:39,239
better be I mean why we hire someone

2524
02:02:52,080 --> 02:02:45,760
yeah what was that like man is did I

2525
02:02:54,359 --> 02:02:52,090
mean have you always had those pipes no

2526
02:02:58,590 --> 02:02:54,369
it's funny the house the Rising Sun

2527
02:03:00,780 --> 02:02:58,600
thing is because it's it's actually it's

2528
02:03:03,359 --> 02:03:00,790
an old poem that is in the public domain

2529
02:03:05,280 --> 02:03:03,369
so as long as you aren't singing any

2530
02:03:08,820 --> 02:03:05,290
famous version of the song you just make

2531
02:03:10,410 --> 02:03:08,830
up your own you uh you can you can sing

2532
02:03:15,180 --> 02:03:10,420
House of the Rising Sun the lyrics that

2533
02:03:16,919 --> 02:03:15,190
everybody knows and so so in the that

2534
02:03:20,250 --> 02:03:16,929
you know I sing it twice in the film and

2535
02:03:21,959 --> 02:03:20,260
the first time it was anyway at both

2536
02:03:23,490 --> 02:03:21,969
times it's the first time it's

2537
02:03:26,100 --> 02:03:23,500
deliberately bad because it's too

2538
02:03:27,479 --> 02:03:26,110
annoyed Justin you know and it's weird

2539
02:03:31,189 --> 02:03:27,489
version that you've never heard before

2540
02:03:33,689 --> 02:03:31,199
and actually I like that a lot because

2541
02:03:36,510 --> 02:03:33,699
there's quite a few famous versions of

2542
02:03:39,600 --> 02:03:36,520
the song and I like that that that

2543
02:03:41,879 --> 02:03:39,610
although the endless takes place in our

2544
02:03:44,580 --> 02:03:41,889
world there's just kind of like these

2545
02:03:45,850 --> 02:03:44,590
odd baroque things that that are that

2546
02:03:49,380 --> 02:03:45,860
are just a little bit

2547
02:03:52,150 --> 02:03:49,390
ah and and us having our own version of

2548
02:03:54,130 --> 02:03:52,160
our own sing-along version of house the

2549
02:03:55,990 --> 02:03:54,140
Rising Sun is one of them and then in

2550
02:03:57,940 --> 02:03:56,000
the karaoke like yeah I was giving it my

2551
02:04:00,100 --> 02:03:57,950
best shot I was actually like not trying

2552
02:04:02,830 --> 02:04:00,110
to annoy justice so well you were on

2553
02:04:04,570 --> 02:04:02,840
pitch though I think there was a couple

2554
02:04:10,330 --> 02:04:04,580
of moments there I was like is he gonna

2555
02:04:13,840 --> 02:04:10,340
get there and you did yeah we hired Josh

2556
02:04:15,520 --> 02:04:13,850
Groban briefly to come in and redo my

2557
02:04:17,170 --> 02:04:15,530
vocals but then we realized we couldn't

2558
02:04:18,370 --> 02:04:17,180
afford him but but actually that wasn't

2559
02:04:21,730 --> 02:04:18,380
the important thing it was that I was

2560
02:04:24,040 --> 02:04:21,740
better then Josh scree asked yeah I can

2561
02:04:26,350 --> 02:04:24,050
hear that Josh would have blown it yeah

2562
02:04:27,130 --> 02:04:26,360
yeah yeah he's he's over but he's

2563
02:04:34,980 --> 02:04:27,140
overrated

2564
02:04:37,330 --> 02:04:34,990
a couple of other things for me this is

2565
02:04:43,480 --> 02:04:37,340
me asking the questions

2566
02:04:48,040 --> 02:04:43,490
in that today I think that too much is

2567
02:04:52,210 --> 02:04:48,050
put on special effects and and CG to

2568
02:04:54,610 --> 02:04:52,220
support a film that can't hold its own

2569
02:04:59,020 --> 02:04:54,620
as far as the story of the script

2570
02:05:01,660 --> 02:04:59,030
writing in the case of the endless it's

2571
02:05:05,260 --> 02:05:01,670
it's I think the special effects are

2572
02:05:09,280 --> 02:05:05,270
there for salt and pepper to kind of

2573
02:05:10,630 --> 02:05:09,290
improve things it is story driven I'm

2574
02:05:14,260 --> 02:05:10,640
gonna give this to Justin because you

2575
02:05:18,220 --> 02:05:14,270
wrote the film Justin why is that today

2576
02:05:21,430 --> 02:05:18,230
that the story and good script writing

2577
02:05:23,380 --> 02:05:21,440
has kind of gotten away from us and here

2578
02:05:28,390 --> 02:05:23,390
it's it's the script in the story that

2579
02:05:30,160 --> 02:05:28,400
supports the special effects hmm man

2580
02:05:34,090 --> 02:05:30,170
that is a deep question that's a tough

2581
02:05:35,440 --> 02:05:34,100
one I don't know I'll start off by

2582
02:05:39,100 --> 02:05:35,450
saying is I was talking to someone the

2583
02:05:41,500 --> 02:05:39,110
other day about you know the the current

2584
02:05:44,590 --> 02:05:41,510
state of cinema and and what gets

2585
02:05:47,700 --> 02:05:44,600
released theatrically versus going to

2586
02:05:51,070 --> 02:05:47,710
video on demand or straight to Netflix

2587
02:05:53,170 --> 02:05:51,080
and you know we're we're in pretty good

2588
02:05:53,410 --> 02:05:53,180
shape I don't think we're in that bad of

2589
02:05:55,150 --> 02:05:53,420
shape

2590
02:05:56,500 --> 02:05:55,160
I mean there's are a lot of really

2591
02:05:58,750 --> 02:05:56,510
wonderful films being released

2592
02:06:00,790 --> 02:05:58,760
theatrically right now that

2593
02:06:03,399 --> 02:06:00,800
certain distributors especially this one

2594
02:06:07,509 --> 02:06:03,409
called a 24 has really figured out how

2595
02:06:09,819 --> 02:06:07,519
to market these smaller character driven

2596
02:06:13,379 --> 02:06:09,829
films and to get people into movie

2597
02:06:17,290 --> 02:06:13,389
theaters watching them now that said

2598
02:06:19,870 --> 02:06:17,300
here's a crazy thought in the year 2018

2599
02:06:23,200 --> 02:06:19,880
if Pulp Fiction were released in 2018 it

2600
02:06:26,129 --> 02:06:23,210
might be a straight to VOD release if a

2601
02:06:28,629 --> 02:06:26,139
company like a 24 didn't pick it up

2602
02:06:31,810 --> 02:06:28,639
things have changed you know that there

2603
02:06:34,919 --> 02:06:31,820
was a point in the 90s where you could

2604
02:06:38,020 --> 02:06:34,929
justify spending a 20 million dollar PNA

2605
02:06:41,919 --> 02:06:38,030
marketing campaign on a an indie film

2606
02:06:42,970 --> 02:06:41,929
and and a lot of people would show up to

2607
02:06:44,560 --> 02:06:42,980
see it and they could do really well

2608
02:06:48,490 --> 02:06:44,570
financially and they could recoup their

2609
02:06:50,379 --> 02:06:48,500
costs and all that it would be more

2610
02:06:51,370 --> 02:06:50,389
risky today I don't know why that is I

2611
02:06:55,060 --> 02:06:51,380
don't know what's changed in the

2612
02:06:56,229 --> 02:06:55,070
behavior of the consumer but but

2613
02:06:59,319 --> 02:06:56,239
obviously Marvel movies do

2614
02:07:01,689 --> 02:06:59,329
extraordinarily well and I'm not saying

2615
02:07:04,299 --> 02:07:01,699
Marvel movies are our bad films in any

2616
02:07:08,759 --> 02:07:04,309
way but but that what you just said you

2617
02:07:11,649 --> 02:07:08,769
know are they somewhat reliant on on

2618
02:07:14,470 --> 02:07:11,659
large on very big action sequences that

2619
02:07:15,850 --> 02:07:14,480
use a lot of CGI and visual effects oh

2620
02:07:17,500 --> 02:07:15,860
yeah yeah of course play they do that

2621
02:07:21,189 --> 02:07:17,510
ever the third act of every Marvel movie

2622
02:07:22,390 --> 02:07:21,199
if I'm not mistaken is a big CGI battle

2623
02:07:24,160 --> 02:07:22,400
scene right what I'd be directing me

2624
02:07:25,569 --> 02:07:24,170
something that yeah that's the that's

2625
02:07:27,189 --> 02:07:25,579
what you go to the movie to see right

2626
02:07:30,339 --> 02:07:27,199
and and that's a lot of fun and that's

2627
02:07:32,919 --> 02:07:30,349
that's that that's great I don't know

2628
02:07:34,930 --> 02:07:32,929
what it is that like we don't get things

2629
02:07:36,939 --> 02:07:34,940
like again like things like pulp fiction

2630
02:07:38,080 --> 02:07:36,949
anymore I don't know and then it's funny

2631
02:07:39,910 --> 02:07:38,090
to think as I get hopefully Sherman

2632
02:07:42,970 --> 02:07:39,920
released in 2018 it wouldn't be like a

2633
02:07:45,549 --> 02:07:42,980
cultural landmark film it would be well

2634
02:07:47,049 --> 02:07:45,559
one of those it do well it would do well

2635
02:07:49,419 --> 02:07:47,059
but it wouldn't be like a big deal

2636
02:07:50,620 --> 02:07:49,429
probably and that's not because it's a

2637
02:07:54,220 --> 02:07:50,630
bad movie in any way it's just the

2638
02:07:55,990 --> 02:07:54,230
culture has changed what would you know

2639
02:07:59,649 --> 02:07:56,000
well wouldn't you I feel like I just

2640
02:08:04,240 --> 02:07:59,659
interrupted you did I no no no okay okay

2641
02:08:07,600 --> 02:08:04,250
okay when you watch the trailer of The

2642
02:08:10,060 --> 02:08:07,610
Endless I think it's also a little bit

2643
02:08:12,550 --> 02:08:10,070
misleading because those the second half

2644
02:08:14,380 --> 02:08:12,560
of the trailer you've got all of the

2645
02:08:17,890 --> 02:08:14,390
you know these explosions and these

2646
02:08:21,310 --> 02:08:17,900
cutscenes in it that don't necessarily

2647
02:08:24,160 --> 02:08:21,320
represent the film which is story driven

2648
02:08:28,680 --> 02:08:24,170
and character driven the special effects

2649
02:08:31,230 --> 02:08:28,690
are there to enhance that being said as

2650
02:08:34,500 --> 02:08:31,240
budget constrained as you guys may be

2651
02:08:36,970 --> 02:08:34,510
the special effects in the film kick ass

2652
02:08:41,080 --> 02:08:36,980
there is and so I want to ask you about

2653
02:08:47,200 --> 02:08:41,090
a couple of them the the one the one

2654
02:08:49,120 --> 02:08:47,210
scene where Aaron is on the path and in

2655
02:08:52,870 --> 02:08:49,130
the background there's an explosion in

2656
02:08:55,960 --> 02:08:52,880
the trees there's a puff right right was

2657
02:08:58,660 --> 02:08:55,970
that CG or was that an explosion a real

2658
02:09:01,030 --> 02:08:58,670
explosion in the background actually I'm

2659
02:09:02,800 --> 02:09:01,040
just making sure do you mean where where

2660
02:09:05,230 --> 02:09:02,810
he's jogging and then that big cargo

2661
02:09:08,410 --> 02:09:05,240
container moves a little bit is that the

2662
02:09:12,340 --> 02:09:08,420
one that that that sequence of stuff yes

2663
02:09:15,400 --> 02:09:12,350
yeah some of that was real and some of

2664
02:09:17,020 --> 02:09:15,410
it's not we we have it there's a funny

2665
02:09:18,040 --> 02:09:17,030
story I'll tell you how he shot it and

2666
02:09:21,130 --> 02:09:18,050
then we'll talk I'll talk about the

2667
02:09:23,770 --> 02:09:21,140
visual effects we had this big plan of

2668
02:09:26,500 --> 02:09:23,780
how to shoot it and it's out by this

2669
02:09:28,210 --> 02:09:26,510
cargo container that is adjacent to one

2670
02:09:30,490 --> 02:09:28,220
of our shooting locations it's still a

2671
02:09:34,050 --> 02:09:30,500
bit of a hike but it's kind of this this

2672
02:09:37,120 --> 02:09:34,060
oddity even for me and Justin where we

2673
02:09:39,700 --> 02:09:37,130
we show up there and it's a kind of a

2674
02:09:43,180 --> 02:09:39,710
desert path and there's a cargo

2675
02:09:45,040 --> 02:09:43,190
container out there which by the way you

2676
02:09:46,840 --> 02:09:45,050
might just think okay sure but what the

2677
02:09:48,460 --> 02:09:46,850
hell is it doing there and how did it

2678
02:09:50,320 --> 02:09:48,470
get there I mean that's that's the thing

2679
02:09:52,600 --> 02:09:50,330
that is normally on a semi truck it's in

2680
02:09:55,300 --> 02:09:52,610
the middle of the desert after a long

2681
02:09:57,550 --> 02:09:55,310
hike we have no idea what it's doing out

2682
02:10:02,890 --> 02:09:57,560
there and and that's why we wanted to

2683
02:10:04,930 --> 02:10:02,900
shoot by it and so we we arrived we

2684
02:10:06,490 --> 02:10:04,940
started setting up this this relatively

2685
02:10:09,250 --> 02:10:06,500
complicated seam that you see in the

2686
02:10:12,490 --> 02:10:09,260
movie and Ana gentleman shows up and

2687
02:10:15,340 --> 02:10:12,500
he's like hey y'all around my property

2688
02:10:18,640 --> 02:10:15,350
and you can leave right now and and he

2689
02:10:20,620 --> 02:10:18,650
was not having us being on his property

2690
02:10:22,060 --> 02:10:20,630
and here's the thing though is we

2691
02:10:24,810 --> 02:10:22,070
genuinely thought it was public property

2692
02:10:27,420 --> 02:10:24,820
we thought we had the proper permit we

2693
02:10:29,370 --> 02:10:27,430
just it was just a it was a very

2694
02:10:30,750 --> 02:10:29,380
innocent mistake we would have loved to

2695
02:10:31,980 --> 02:10:30,760
have gotten permission we weren't trying

2696
02:10:33,720 --> 02:10:31,990
to steal anything you know we just

2697
02:10:35,880 --> 02:10:33,730
thought we had in the proper permit and

2698
02:10:37,500 --> 02:10:35,890
so we were able to convince him to give

2699
02:10:41,360 --> 02:10:37,510
us 30 minutes to get the hell off the

2700
02:10:44,280 --> 02:10:41,370
heck off his property and so and so that

2701
02:10:47,940 --> 02:10:44,290
scene ended up getting shot in like half

2702
02:10:51,600 --> 02:10:47,950
an hour and and so the cargo container

2703
02:10:54,240 --> 02:10:51,610
bumping that's a CGI effect and then the

2704
02:10:55,710 --> 02:10:54,250
the Sun getting blotted out that's a CGI

2705
02:10:57,330 --> 02:10:55,720
effect and then as you mentioned there's

2706
02:11:00,950 --> 02:10:57,340
there's kind of a thing that happens

2707
02:11:03,390 --> 02:11:00,960
behind them which is a tree falling and

2708
02:11:05,040 --> 02:11:03,400
as much as we would have loved to have

2709
02:11:08,520 --> 02:11:05,050
chopped down a tree in that moment that

2710
02:11:10,620 --> 02:11:08,530
is a CGI tree falling but all of those

2711
02:11:12,210 --> 02:11:10,630
things if you'll notice the way I'm

2712
02:11:14,640 --> 02:11:12,220
describing them are way in the distance

2713
02:11:16,170 --> 02:11:14,650
and that's just part of our tricks

2714
02:11:18,240 --> 02:11:16,180
that's just part of the way that we're

2715
02:11:21,180 --> 02:11:18,250
able to build visual effects that feel

2716
02:11:23,280 --> 02:11:21,190
real is that that almost everything

2717
02:11:24,750 --> 02:11:23,290
happens in the distance and I don't mean

2718
02:11:26,040 --> 02:11:24,760
it's small on screen and therefore

2719
02:11:28,440 --> 02:11:26,050
there's less work to do I just mean that

2720
02:11:30,240 --> 02:11:28,450
there's a there's a specialty we have

2721
02:11:32,580 --> 02:11:30,250
that that we were able to accomplish

2722
02:11:35,510 --> 02:11:32,590
with the film yeah it doesn't dominate

2723
02:11:38,100 --> 02:11:35,520
you know you bring up a really good

2724
02:11:41,490 --> 02:11:38,110
example of you know the way Marvel or

2725
02:11:43,590 --> 02:11:41,500
thor ragnarok whatever where everything

2726
02:11:46,200 --> 02:11:43,600
is shot on green-screen everything there

2727
02:11:48,360 --> 02:11:46,210
is is not real and you're tricked into

2728
02:11:50,160 --> 02:11:48,370
it and that's part of the fun you know

2729
02:11:52,200 --> 02:11:50,170
your brain is convinced that what you're

2730
02:11:56,070 --> 02:11:52,210
seeing on the screen is real these

2731
02:11:57,990 --> 02:11:56,080
special effects are there in the

2732
02:12:00,360 --> 02:11:58,000
background to enhanced the scene and

2733
02:12:04,620 --> 02:12:00,370
it's very effective and I thought that

2734
02:12:07,440 --> 02:12:04,630
all of this was was real just captured

2735
02:12:09,120 --> 02:12:07,450
it on film and and it was just effective

2736
02:12:11,550 --> 02:12:09,130
like the rope you know that was a

2737
02:12:15,600 --> 02:12:11,560
another thing that I really tried to

2738
02:12:18,930 --> 02:12:15,610
figure that out like okay how are they

2739
02:12:21,600 --> 02:12:18,940
doing this but I thought all of that was

2740
02:12:24,300 --> 02:12:21,610
very very effective and I like the way

2741
02:12:27,030 --> 02:12:24,310
that you have chosen to not have it in

2742
02:12:29,430 --> 02:12:27,040
the front and like I said the trailer is

2743
02:12:31,410 --> 02:12:29,440
kind of misleading I think for those

2744
02:12:33,990 --> 02:12:31,420
when they're gonna expect something else

2745
02:12:36,709 --> 02:12:34,000
that that not what the film is it's

2746
02:12:39,410 --> 02:12:36,719
about the script in the story first

2747
02:12:41,540 --> 02:12:39,420
yeah yeah my marketing materials

2748
02:12:42,979 --> 02:12:41,550
hopefully you're not totally conning

2749
02:12:48,560 --> 02:12:42,989
your audience is some of notic totally

2750
02:12:53,420 --> 02:12:48,570
not expecting but but but you know

2751
02:12:55,250 --> 02:12:53,430
unless unless your movie is is what was

2752
02:12:59,180 --> 02:12:55,260
that point of view Russian film

2753
02:13:00,200 --> 02:12:59,190
oh wait which one oh with the yeah that

2754
02:13:02,240 --> 02:13:00,210
was great

2755
02:13:04,479 --> 02:13:02,250
that's a movie our crazy charlie or

2756
02:13:06,950 --> 02:13:04,489
whatever crazy crazy charm was that

2757
02:13:09,560 --> 02:13:06,960
crazy charlie but it's like something

2758
02:13:12,110 --> 02:13:09,570
like that yeah no-one's no ones movie

2759
02:13:14,930 --> 02:13:12,120
can be as visceral and kinetic as their

2760
02:13:15,770 --> 02:13:14,940
trailer yeah and unless it's you know

2761
02:13:18,800 --> 02:13:15,780
something like that

2762
02:13:20,930 --> 02:13:18,810
or like the rate or the rate to Mad Max

2763
02:13:23,990 --> 02:13:20,940
or mad mad mad is better than its trail

2764
02:13:26,180 --> 02:13:24,000
yeah kinetically but also I was going to

2765
02:13:28,250 --> 02:13:26,190
say that you know Aaron Aaron's a visual

2766
02:13:30,620 --> 02:13:28,260
effects genius and his specialty is

2767
02:13:32,150 --> 02:13:30,630
something called 2d compositing and it's

2768
02:13:36,080 --> 02:13:32,160
something that we've been able to

2769
02:13:38,750 --> 02:13:36,090
exploit his his amazing talent at it -

2770
02:13:41,150 --> 02:13:38,760
all three of our movies I think that the

2771
02:13:42,979 --> 02:13:41,160
way that we use it is this finance

2772
02:13:46,130 --> 02:13:42,989
realize this week Aaron and I are both

2773
02:13:47,420 --> 02:13:46,140
huge fans of Lord of the Rings I don't

2774
02:13:48,920 --> 02:13:47,430
think anyone will look at our films and

2775
02:13:50,900 --> 02:13:48,930
be like they must have been inspired by

2776
02:13:53,990 --> 02:13:50,910
Lord of the Rings so I I would wish that

2777
02:13:56,750 --> 02:13:54,000
would happen but it doesn't but uh but

2778
02:13:59,450 --> 02:13:56,760
there is a technical approach in Lord of

2779
02:14:01,490 --> 02:13:59,460
the Rings that but I do think we use

2780
02:14:03,890 --> 02:14:01,500
just at a various a much smaller scale

2781
02:14:06,229 --> 02:14:03,900
and it's that get everything as far as

2782
02:14:09,830 --> 02:14:06,239
you can possibly get it in camera and on

2783
02:14:12,979 --> 02:14:09,840
set and then use use visual effects

2784
02:14:16,610 --> 02:14:12,989
technology to augment that and instead

2785
02:14:18,860 --> 02:14:16,620
of just relying on on on digital

2786
02:14:20,120 --> 02:14:18,870
technology or just relying on practical

2787
02:14:22,760 --> 02:14:20,130
effects because that doesn't usually

2788
02:14:24,200 --> 02:14:22,770
turn out very well either but it's

2789
02:14:26,270 --> 02:14:24,210
really again it's just about getting it

2790
02:14:29,780 --> 02:14:26,280
as far as you possibly can on set and

2791
02:14:31,640 --> 02:14:29,790
then and then using the technology that

2792
02:14:35,209 --> 02:14:31,650
Aaron brilliantly knows how to use to to

2793
02:14:37,750 --> 02:14:35,219
make it even better now I'm gonna I'm

2794
02:14:40,910 --> 02:14:37,760
gonna stay with Aaron on this because

2795
02:14:42,950 --> 02:14:40,920
the what do you consider this do you

2796
02:14:44,750 --> 02:14:42,960
consider it paranormal do you consider

2797
02:14:47,020 --> 02:14:44,760
it supernatural do you consider it's

2798
02:14:54,830 --> 02:14:47,030
science fiction

2799
02:14:57,530 --> 02:14:54,840
is this et is this ancient cultures you

2800
02:14:59,810 --> 02:14:57,540
know what and you leave so much of this

2801
02:15:01,910 --> 02:14:59,820
for the audience to figure out for

2802
02:15:04,070 --> 02:15:01,920
themselves which is great but you

2803
02:15:08,930 --> 02:15:04,080
personally what do you consider this

2804
02:15:11,570 --> 02:15:08,940
film almost all of what you said just

2805
02:15:14,030 --> 02:15:11,580
there I would say I consider it the only

2806
02:15:15,680 --> 02:15:14,040
one I would say it's probably not is

2807
02:15:19,220 --> 02:15:15,690
extraterrestrial

2808
02:15:21,040 --> 02:15:19,230
but that said though what it's what it

2809
02:15:23,120 --> 02:15:21,050
is is it something that is so ancient

2810
02:15:26,260 --> 02:15:23,130
that in many ways it defies

2811
02:15:33,320 --> 02:15:26,270
comprehension or at least it defies

2812
02:15:34,370 --> 02:15:33,330
categorization and so and so we we like

2813
02:15:36,350 --> 02:15:34,380
to think of it as something that's

2814
02:15:39,020 --> 02:15:36,360
always been there it's a it's it's a

2815
02:15:42,010 --> 02:15:39,030
natural phenomenon that has grown out of

2816
02:15:46,190 --> 02:15:42,020
the earth and become sentient in a way

2817
02:15:48,920 --> 02:15:46,200
that also in in in other ways is able to

2818
02:15:53,870 --> 02:15:48,930
interact with plenty of other dimensions

2819
02:15:56,780 --> 02:15:53,880
and and and has become demigod like that

2820
02:16:04,730 --> 02:15:56,790
it is simultaneously a natural event and

2821
02:16:06,800 --> 02:16:04,740
also animal don't give it away you

2822
02:16:09,650 --> 02:16:06,810
danced on that one I was like I got to

2823
02:16:11,900 --> 02:16:09,660
pump the brakes here I'm not I'm not

2824
02:16:15,680 --> 02:16:11,910
saying this is what it is

2825
02:16:18,620 --> 02:16:15,690
okay but if if dawn a keel came across

2826
02:16:21,380 --> 02:16:18,630
this region Mike oh yeah he might weave

2827
02:16:22,370 --> 02:16:21,390
it into a terrestrial theory and we're

2828
02:16:24,170 --> 02:16:22,380
not saying that's what it is

2829
02:16:26,240 --> 02:16:24,180
but he might weave it into it you might

2830
02:16:28,610 --> 02:16:26,250
write enough things yeah well I found it

2831
02:16:30,920 --> 02:16:28,620
on cave paintings and I kinda it must in

2832
02:16:33,020 --> 02:16:30,930
it seems a dimensional and it and he

2833
02:16:34,970 --> 02:16:33,030
might like weave it into his argument in

2834
02:16:39,459 --> 02:16:34,980
our haunted planet Justin what do you

2835
02:16:44,930 --> 02:16:39,469
think it is actually that we just saw

2836
02:16:47,630 --> 02:16:44,940
you guys figured out man okay Aaron what

2837
02:16:49,580 --> 02:16:47,640
do you think it is no we didn't we just

2838
02:16:53,930 --> 02:16:49,590
swapped in the middle of that answer so

2839
02:16:55,820 --> 02:16:53,940
we both should just answer this saying

2840
02:16:59,510 --> 02:16:55,830
the it's animal but but also

2841
02:17:01,220 --> 02:16:59,520
simultaneously natural and then he

2842
02:17:05,300 --> 02:17:01,230
jumped in and talked about John

2843
02:17:10,940 --> 02:17:05,310
now see this is and I love this part of

2844
02:17:14,390 --> 02:17:10,950
it again no spoilers here but it seems

2845
02:17:16,370 --> 02:17:14,400
to me about halfway through the film

2846
02:17:20,660 --> 02:17:16,380
that we're dealing with something that

2847
02:17:22,760 --> 02:17:20,670
is maybe game playing or having fun that

2848
02:17:28,250 --> 02:17:22,770
there is an intelligence here that is in

2849
02:17:30,650 --> 02:17:28,260
control of camp Arcadia yeah and that's

2850
02:17:33,860 --> 02:17:30,660
the that's the hopeful idea is that

2851
02:17:37,310 --> 02:17:33,870
there's a very direct potentially

2852
02:17:38,660 --> 02:17:37,320
malevolent influence on on everything

2853
02:17:40,550 --> 02:17:38,670
that's happening and actually that does

2854
02:17:44,380 --> 02:17:40,560
tie back to our first film resolution as

2855
02:17:47,959 --> 02:17:44,390
well that we want it to seem intelligent

2856
02:17:50,030 --> 02:17:47,969
but a little bit unknowable as well yeah

2857
02:17:54,530 --> 02:17:50,040
I think it's one of the funnest parts of

2858
02:17:56,870 --> 02:17:54,540
the film is trying to figure out and I

2859
02:17:59,270 --> 02:17:56,880
don't want to I feel like all of us are

2860
02:18:02,990 --> 02:17:59,280
okay with can somehow string it along

2861
02:18:04,700 --> 02:18:03,000
for almost two hours without without

2862
02:18:07,300 --> 02:18:04,710
having to do any spoilers this is great

2863
02:18:10,880 --> 02:18:07,310
yeah well you know because and when I

2864
02:18:14,419 --> 02:18:10,890
first started speaking about the film

2865
02:18:16,730 --> 02:18:14,429
last month or at the beginning of July I

2866
02:18:20,810 --> 02:18:16,740
didn't want to give it away either and I

2867
02:18:23,360 --> 02:18:20,820
knew that everybody getting into the

2868
02:18:25,700 --> 02:18:23,370
film was going to go through exactly

2869
02:18:29,570 --> 02:18:25,710
what I went through you know and there's

2870
02:18:32,000 --> 02:18:29,580
there's no way that you can't take that

2871
02:18:37,459 --> 02:18:32,010
ride and and strand and try to figure it

2872
02:18:39,680 --> 02:18:37,469
out it's it's a very complex series of

2873
02:18:41,690 --> 02:18:39,690
events that suggests so many different

2874
02:18:44,330 --> 02:18:41,700
things because we're obviously dealing

2875
02:18:46,160 --> 02:18:44,340
with time you know there's that part of

2876
02:18:49,430 --> 02:18:46,170
it and then you throw in everything else

2877
02:18:53,230 --> 02:18:49,440
and like I said for me that little alien

2878
02:18:55,940 --> 02:18:53,240
in the glass was something that was

2879
02:18:58,340 --> 02:18:55,950
deliberately put there and some like

2880
02:19:02,360 --> 02:18:58,350
that please show us an image of that is

2881
02:19:06,790 --> 02:19:02,370
serious I I have to I'll get it I'll get

2882
02:19:10,400 --> 02:19:06,800
it somehow and and get that to you guys

2883
02:19:12,050 --> 02:19:10,410
but but anyway for me that was one of

2884
02:19:13,709 --> 02:19:12,060
the coolest things about it because that

2885
02:19:18,870 --> 02:19:13,719
took me down a whole nother

2886
02:19:22,679 --> 02:19:18,880
- Road right and I was cool with it it's

2887
02:19:25,559 --> 02:19:22,689
like it was making sense to me through

2888
02:19:27,629 --> 02:19:25,569
something that now that I know it wasn't

2889
02:19:28,830 --> 02:19:27,639
even supposed to be there and it wasn't

2890
02:19:30,509 --> 02:19:28,840
intentional

2891
02:19:32,160 --> 02:19:30,519
it's one of those things it's like don't

2892
02:19:37,139 --> 02:19:32,170
kill them for me it's one of my fondest

2893
02:19:39,719 --> 02:19:37,149
memories right no absolutely and what's

2894
02:19:41,809 --> 02:19:39,729
funny is it's a you know when you say

2895
02:19:45,959 --> 02:19:41,819
you saw that that that man in the glass

2896
02:19:49,229 --> 02:19:45,969
our films are there they we are we're

2897
02:19:52,110 --> 02:19:49,239
willing to accept other people's

2898
02:19:53,580 --> 02:19:52,120
interpretations of the film but it's not

2899
02:19:55,380 --> 02:19:53,590
one of those things that we just kind of

2900
02:19:55,530 --> 02:19:55,390
shrug and say oh whatever you think it

2901
02:19:57,420 --> 02:19:55,540
is

2902
02:19:59,849 --> 02:19:57,430
it's dream logic it's it's not like that

2903
02:20:02,400 --> 02:19:59,859
it's it's there is a deliberate

2904
02:20:06,349 --> 02:20:02,410
interpretation but it's it's it's a it's

2905
02:20:10,979 --> 02:20:06,359
also a very deliberately by construction

2906
02:20:12,389 --> 02:20:10,989
mysterious film and so so we have an

2907
02:20:14,160 --> 02:20:12,399
answer to the mystery that's our own

2908
02:20:16,650 --> 02:20:14,170
theory on mystery is that we need the

2909
02:20:20,580 --> 02:20:16,660
answer it's just how we dole it out and

2910
02:20:22,410 --> 02:20:20,590
how much we give some stuff we leave to

2911
02:20:25,229 --> 02:20:22,420
the side on the periphery and some stuff

2912
02:20:27,360 --> 02:20:25,239
we feed directly in dialogue and action

2913
02:20:31,920 --> 02:20:27,370
and really obvious ways and and then

2914
02:20:34,110 --> 02:20:31,930
somewhere in between but but ultimately

2915
02:20:37,290 --> 02:20:34,120
that your understanding of the film is

2916
02:20:38,969 --> 02:20:37,300
probably not like grossly incorrect it's

2917
02:20:41,820 --> 02:20:38,979
it's it's just something where it's like

2918
02:20:44,790 --> 02:20:41,830
oh you're grabbing something from your

2919
02:20:47,190 --> 02:20:44,800
own lifelong experience and applying it

2920
02:20:49,380 --> 02:20:47,200
to this mythology that we invented and

2921
02:20:51,450 --> 02:20:49,390
it's probably still pretty damn darn

2922
02:20:53,969 --> 02:20:51,460
close to what I'm so sorry well the

2923
02:20:57,660 --> 02:20:53,979
first of what we keep on - what the film

2924
02:21:01,710 --> 02:20:57,670
actually is well so as we start to wrap

2925
02:21:05,519 --> 02:21:01,720
up here the big question is especially

2926
02:21:11,820 --> 02:21:05,529
with the way that the film concludes is

2927
02:21:18,090 --> 02:21:11,830
there an endless part - not not an

2928
02:21:20,790 --> 02:21:18,100
endless part - but you know well again

2929
02:21:22,469 --> 02:21:20,800
we have sort of inconsequential to this

2930
02:21:26,131 --> 02:21:22,479
movie but yeah we do have two movies

2931
02:21:30,030 --> 02:21:26,141
that take place in this world and

2932
02:21:32,011 --> 02:21:30,040
and it took about six years to just

2933
02:21:33,720 --> 02:21:32,021
almost sort of unconsciously develop

2934
02:21:35,551 --> 02:21:33,730
this one whether we wanted to or not we

2935
02:21:37,081 --> 02:21:35,561
were creating all this material we just

2936
02:21:39,841 --> 02:21:37,091
kept talking about it and then realize

2937
02:21:42,810 --> 02:21:39,851
we had to do it and probably you know

2938
02:21:45,990 --> 02:21:42,820
given another six to ten years will tell

2939
02:21:47,160 --> 02:21:46,000
another story in this universe we don't

2940
02:21:48,900 --> 02:21:47,170
know if that would be a movie or a TV

2941
02:21:51,091 --> 02:21:48,910
show it probably wouldn't be called the

2942
02:21:52,860 --> 02:21:51,101
endless - it'll probably be again just

2943
02:21:54,690 --> 02:21:52,870
doing something that you could watch it

2944
02:21:56,100 --> 02:21:54,700
on its own and then discover that

2945
02:21:57,751 --> 02:21:56,110
there's two more things that take place

2946
02:22:01,591 --> 02:21:57,761
with these characters and that would be

2947
02:22:03,360 --> 02:22:01,601
mind-blowing it would be something like

2948
02:22:07,081 --> 02:22:03,370
that well what are you guys working on

2949
02:22:11,430 --> 02:22:07,091
now are you in production we're not

2950
02:22:15,180 --> 02:22:11,440
we're not in production we have four

2951
02:22:18,780 --> 02:22:15,190
movies and two TV shows and development

2952
02:22:22,051 --> 02:22:18,790
and one of the TV shows the one thing we

2953
02:22:26,220 --> 02:22:22,061
talk about pretty openly is we have a TV

2954
02:22:30,660 --> 02:22:26,230
show about the early nineteen hundred's

2955
02:22:33,930 --> 02:22:30,670
occultist aleister crowley oh yeah and

2956
02:22:38,190 --> 02:22:33,940
it's it's a it's a lengthy telling of

2957
02:22:40,171 --> 02:22:38,200
his life not not directly we take

2958
02:22:42,900 --> 02:22:40,181
obviously plenty of liberties with it

2959
02:22:46,081 --> 02:22:42,910
but but it's a it's a relatively

2960
02:22:49,291 --> 02:22:46,091
even-handed view of him and actually hey

2961
02:22:52,381 --> 02:22:49,301
question for you yes on the callouts in

2962
02:22:55,381 --> 02:22:52,391
the first the first radio segment you

2963
02:22:58,261 --> 02:22:55,391
had Toby Kebbell yeah what did you chat

2964
02:23:01,950 --> 02:22:58,271
with him about oh man that would be

2965
02:23:06,331 --> 02:23:01,960
telling but I'm a big big okay look I

2966
02:23:10,200 --> 02:23:06,341
love film and when it comes to Guy

2967
02:23:12,660 --> 02:23:10,210
Ritchie and and others out there that I

2968
02:23:17,041 --> 02:23:12,670
really respect what they do I study the

2969
02:23:19,310 --> 02:23:17,051
films and and everything and so Toby and

2970
02:23:22,980 --> 02:23:19,320
rock and Rolla was one of those films

2971
02:23:25,440 --> 02:23:22,990
that is very singular a film that great

2972
02:23:28,470 --> 02:23:25,450
comes along very rarely right and we all

2973
02:23:30,810 --> 02:23:28,480
know this and everything aligned for Guy

2974
02:23:32,220 --> 02:23:30,820
Ritchie on that film but I also went

2975
02:23:34,689 --> 02:23:32,230
back and watched everything else that

2976
02:23:36,700 --> 02:23:34,699
Toby had done in

2977
02:23:40,540 --> 02:23:36,710
in his career leading up to that and

2978
02:23:44,679 --> 02:23:40,550
he's very very very gifted I had the

2979
02:23:49,420 --> 02:23:44,689
opportunity with with Toby to talk to

2980
02:23:52,570 --> 02:23:49,430
him for about six hours privately whoa

2981
02:23:56,380 --> 02:23:52,580
okay and and I got inside of his head

2982
02:23:58,870 --> 02:23:56,390
and it's it's going to stay there okay

2983
02:24:02,790 --> 02:23:58,880
it just needs to stay there but when he

2984
02:24:06,160 --> 02:24:02,800
did that when he did that drop for me

2985
02:24:07,899 --> 02:24:06,170
which was at the end of the day he goes

2986
02:24:11,019 --> 02:24:07,909
man you know I've got something perfect

2987
02:24:13,510 --> 02:24:11,029
you know I got something perfect and he

2988
02:24:15,939 --> 02:24:13,520
did that he did that in one take and it

2989
02:24:18,910 --> 02:24:15,949
was just a gift that that he did and

2990
02:24:23,260 --> 02:24:18,920
there you go but he is he's just an

2991
02:24:26,800 --> 02:24:23,270
amazing guy have you ever met him Aaron

2992
02:24:29,170 --> 02:24:26,810
met him once very very briefly and but

2993
02:24:30,250 --> 02:24:29,180
the reason why we've been we're so

2994
02:24:33,610 --> 02:24:30,260
curious about and we've been sort of

2995
02:24:35,229 --> 02:24:33,620
tracking his career as well is the

2996
02:24:38,019 --> 02:24:35,239
character that he plays in rocks and

2997
02:24:42,460 --> 02:24:38,029
Rolla Johnny quid am I getting an

2998
02:24:46,389 --> 02:24:42,470
erection that that character is sort has

2999
02:24:49,570 --> 02:24:46,399
always sort of been the comp for how we

3000
02:24:53,469 --> 02:24:49,580
saw the more reckless aspects of our

3001
02:24:55,899 --> 02:24:53,479
Aleister Crowley character oh now see

3002
02:24:57,429 --> 02:24:55,909
that makes a lot of sense yeah right so

3003
02:24:59,649 --> 02:24:57,439
you get you get the idea like the more

3004
02:25:02,950 --> 02:24:59,659
sort of like humorous reckless aspects

3005
02:25:04,570 --> 02:25:02,960
of of his personality and again the the

3006
02:25:11,290 --> 02:25:04,580
show we've been developing is is neither

3007
02:25:13,030 --> 02:25:11,300
neither glamorizes him nor nor says that

3008
02:25:14,380 --> 02:25:13,040
he was actually the wickedest man in the

3009
02:25:18,639 --> 02:25:14,390
world or a Satanist or anything like

3010
02:25:20,050 --> 02:25:18,649
that but but we saw that the show is a

3011
02:25:22,389 --> 02:25:20,060
very very complicated guide is very

3012
02:25:23,860 --> 02:25:22,399
flawed and in the sort of the funnier

3013
02:25:25,330 --> 02:25:23,870
darker moments of Johnny quid and

3014
02:25:28,059 --> 02:25:25,340
rock-and-roll that we were like oh that

3015
02:25:29,700 --> 02:25:28,069
that that is that that's basically what

3016
02:25:34,179 --> 02:25:29,710
we should looking to be looking for and

3017
02:25:36,880 --> 02:25:34,189
in casting this character and I could

3018
02:25:39,250 --> 02:25:36,890
see that because you know when you go

3019
02:25:42,550 --> 02:25:39,260
back and look like I'm sure you guys

3020
02:25:46,240 --> 02:25:42,560
have had to do to research alliser's

3021
02:25:48,030 --> 02:25:46,250
life he there was a few years there

3022
02:25:49,890 --> 02:25:48,040
where he he

3023
02:25:59,910 --> 02:25:49,900
to the edge of the cliff man and took a

3024
02:26:03,750 --> 02:25:59,920
peek like a very accomplished mountain

3025
02:26:05,940 --> 02:26:03,760
climber literally just like Johnny quit

3026
02:26:10,011 --> 02:26:05,950
man Johnny quid went to the edge man you

3027
02:26:13,820 --> 02:26:10,021
know he went right there and and Crowley

3028
02:26:16,590 --> 02:26:13,830
definitely did that his time in Italy is

3029
02:26:20,460 --> 02:26:16,600
some of the craziest stuff that I have

3030
02:26:22,560 --> 02:26:20,470
ever read I mean he he definitely pushed

3031
02:26:25,290 --> 02:26:22,570
it you know he went right there so yeah

3032
02:26:28,530 --> 02:26:25,300
I think I could even see Toby Kebbell

3033
02:26:32,280 --> 02:26:28,540
playing that that year in Crowley and in

3034
02:26:34,470 --> 02:26:32,290
Italy that's uh and the thing is is like

3035
02:26:37,020 --> 02:26:34,480
through it all and you know he's

3036
02:26:38,370 --> 02:26:37,030
obviously isn't interesting if you want

3037
02:26:41,011 --> 02:26:38,380
to call him a spiritual figure he's

3038
02:26:46,470 --> 02:26:41,021
interesting from that that viewpoint in

3039
02:26:49,230 --> 02:26:46,480
that he is in some ways you know and and

3040
02:26:50,730 --> 02:26:49,240
you can argue in some ways he's an he's

3041
02:26:52,170 --> 02:26:50,740
an early version but people now define

3042
02:26:56,550 --> 02:26:52,180
as being a cult leader I'm not saying

3043
02:26:58,261 --> 02:26:56,560
that's what he was but the thing that

3044
02:26:59,880 --> 02:26:58,271
sorta distinguishes him he had a true

3045
02:27:02,220 --> 02:26:59,890
conviction he had a true faith in his

3046
02:27:04,020 --> 02:27:02,230
very esoteric spirituality and he

3047
02:27:06,150 --> 02:27:04,030
simultaneously had a really great sense

3048
02:27:08,370 --> 02:27:06,160
of humor about it and I think that's

3049
02:27:10,670 --> 02:27:08,380
what Toby Kebbell does so did so well

3050
02:27:13,500 --> 02:27:10,680
with rock and Rolla is he is hilarious

3051
02:27:15,720 --> 02:27:13,510
and yet at the same time so sincere so

3052
02:27:19,440 --> 02:27:15,730
heartbreakingly sincere you know if

3053
02:27:21,630 --> 02:27:19,450
wouldn't it have been fun I mean that

3054
02:27:23,850 --> 02:27:21,640
that role and I talked to Toby about

3055
02:27:25,500 --> 02:27:23,860
this quite a bit it had to have been the

3056
02:27:28,320 --> 02:27:25,510
funnest thing you could have ever done

3057
02:27:29,700 --> 02:27:28,330
oh my god oh yeah and that's I guess I

3058
02:27:31,140 --> 02:27:29,710
think that was like I don't know if that

3059
02:27:33,300 --> 02:27:31,150
was the first thing he did for dead man

3060
02:27:36,780 --> 02:27:33,310
shoes but I know it was shortly after he

3061
02:27:39,540 --> 02:27:36,790
hadn't done that much right and what man

3062
02:27:41,640 --> 02:27:39,550
what a role he's a he's you're one of

3063
02:27:44,340 --> 02:27:41,650
your first roles is is the Guy Ritchie

3064
02:27:48,300 --> 02:27:44,350
Redemption movie like like you know he's

3065
02:27:49,500 --> 02:27:48,310
had some misfires and and and and but

3066
02:27:52,050 --> 02:27:49,510
but that's his best guy ritchie's

3067
02:27:53,400 --> 02:27:52,060
comeback movie that's just like he came

3068
02:27:56,070 --> 02:27:53,410
back from a string of stuff that people

3069
02:27:57,930 --> 02:27:56,080
didn't really connect with and did you

3070
02:27:59,420 --> 02:27:57,940
know that the UK gangster movie again

3071
02:28:02,240 --> 02:27:59,430
better than anyone had ever done it

3072
02:28:04,460 --> 02:28:02,250
yeah that's true and and certainly when

3073
02:28:08,090 --> 02:28:04,470
you go and look at dead man's shoes

3074
02:28:10,660 --> 02:28:08,100
which I had heard so much about right

3075
02:28:15,650 --> 02:28:10,670
and then it's one of those things where

3076
02:28:18,740 --> 02:28:15,660
it's it's become this it's more about

3077
02:28:20,840 --> 02:28:18,750
legend than legendary right it's it's

3078
02:28:26,620 --> 02:28:20,850
been you know it's been built up you go

3079
02:28:30,500 --> 02:28:26,630
and you watch that and Toby was so scary

3080
02:28:33,500 --> 02:28:30,510
perfect in that role and so convincing

3081
02:28:36,469 --> 02:28:33,510
in that role it reminds me of what was

3082
02:28:37,550 --> 02:28:36,479
that line in Tropic Thunder right never

3083
02:28:42,979 --> 02:28:37,560
go full

3084
02:28:45,740 --> 02:28:42,989
right remember that line okay now please

3085
02:28:48,080 --> 02:28:45,750
everybody don't send me the emails from

3086
02:28:52,269 --> 02:28:48,090
what I just said it's just a line from

3087
02:28:56,479 --> 02:28:52,279
the film but that's what Toby did and

3088
02:28:59,090 --> 02:28:56,489
that it was so convincing and then a

3089
02:29:01,309 --> 02:28:59,100
rock and roller comes out and you see

3090
02:29:04,090 --> 02:29:01,319
how dynamic of an actor and a talent

3091
02:29:07,040 --> 02:29:04,100
that he really is dead man's shoes was

3092
02:29:10,790 --> 02:29:07,050
just an extraordinary film extraordinary

3093
02:29:14,479 --> 02:29:10,800
film heartbreaking - oh man tough yeah

3094
02:29:16,820 --> 02:29:14,489
yeah tackle also I just realized

3095
02:29:18,830 --> 02:29:16,830
something I I sometimes take issue with

3096
02:29:20,809 --> 02:29:18,840
the idea of being like that person's a

3097
02:29:23,000 --> 02:29:20,819
movie star and it's like okay you sound

3098
02:29:25,490 --> 02:29:23,010
like a 1930s producer right now but um

3099
02:29:26,809 --> 02:29:25,500
but and I tend to think well Donny

3100
02:29:29,000 --> 02:29:26,819
there's a lot of things and going into

3101
02:29:30,439 --> 02:29:29,010
player there's filmmaking there's a lot

3102
02:29:32,870 --> 02:29:30,449
of unconscious things for sound design

3103
02:29:34,610 --> 02:29:32,880
that there is editing or solar or soul

3104
02:29:36,229 --> 02:29:34,620
there's writing there's a lot of things

3105
02:29:39,050 --> 02:29:36,239
that go into a person's performance I

3106
02:29:40,939 --> 02:29:39,060
will say that Toby Kebbell and rock and

3107
02:29:43,429 --> 02:29:40,949
Rolla that is a movie star performance

3108
02:29:46,729 --> 02:29:43,439
that is like oh who is that guy yeah it

3109
02:29:49,189 --> 02:29:46,739
is amazing yeah it's like I said it's a

3110
02:29:53,300 --> 02:29:49,199
singular movie you know it's something

3111
02:29:56,750 --> 02:29:53,310
that is rare that that comes along and

3112
02:30:01,610 --> 02:29:56,760
it is it is that well done and everybody

3113
02:30:05,131 --> 02:30:01,620
in that film you know when you move on

3114
02:30:10,791 --> 02:30:07,411
why you know what everybody I'm trying

3115
02:30:17,341 --> 02:30:10,801
to think handsome Bob what's his name

3116
02:30:19,251 --> 02:30:17,351
just away from me right now and and I'm

3117
02:30:23,940 --> 02:30:19,261
just tired

3118
02:30:29,100 --> 02:30:23,950
uncle who's his uncle handsome Bob's

3119
02:30:32,940 --> 02:30:29,110
uncle Oh Oh his god is this uncle a guy

3120
02:30:35,011 --> 02:30:32,950
that actually played the bass or Crowley

3121
02:30:40,560 --> 02:30:35,021
inspired character in Guy Ritchie's

3122
02:30:43,711 --> 02:30:40,570
Sherlock Holmes yes yes yes yeah mark

3123
02:30:48,720 --> 02:30:43,721
Strong yeah mark strong strong strong

3124
02:30:52,201 --> 02:30:48,730
mark strong and that's that that's the

3125
02:30:57,560 --> 02:30:52,211
line from the movie don't don't hurt me

3126
02:31:06,001 --> 02:31:04,110
anyway the point is everybody from rock

3127
02:31:07,470 --> 02:31:06,011
and Rolla if you really think about it

3128
02:31:10,921 --> 02:31:07,480
you go through the cast think about what

3129
02:31:14,881 --> 02:31:10,931
they have done since then right there

3130
02:31:17,970 --> 02:31:14,891
they've all come lunch yeah all of them

3131
02:31:20,520 --> 02:31:17,980
Gerard Butler is in RocknRolla yeah and

3132
02:31:26,371 --> 02:31:20,530
there Gerard Butler a handsome Bob who

3133
02:31:28,190 --> 02:31:26,381
played a handsome boy not guys the

3134
02:31:41,600 --> 02:31:28,200
police Alfie and peaky blinders

3135
02:31:45,921 --> 02:31:41,610
Steve Buscemi Tom Hardy think about mark

3136
02:31:48,781 --> 02:31:45,931
yeah yeah all all from Guy Ritchie just

3137
02:31:53,991 --> 02:31:48,791
doing what he did in rock and Rolla and

3138
02:31:58,321 --> 02:31:54,001
of course you can back up and and go to

3139
02:32:03,241 --> 02:31:58,331
and that's it that's it Guy Ritchie IMDB

3140
02:32:04,980 --> 02:32:03,251
I'm just gonna do this I'm losing my

3141
02:32:08,730 --> 02:32:04,990
mind

3142
02:32:12,751 --> 02:32:08,740
snatch I think everybody's in snatch

3143
02:32:14,071 --> 02:32:12,761
right I think I think snatch kicked it

3144
02:32:15,690 --> 02:32:14,081
off more than rock and Rolla

3145
02:32:18,210 --> 02:32:15,700
but rock and roller kind of continued

3146
02:32:21,599 --> 02:32:18,220
the through line of extraordinary

3147
02:32:23,280 --> 02:32:21,609
early talented to the tractors you know

3148
02:32:26,070 --> 02:32:23,290
could even even lock stock in a way to

3149
02:32:28,080 --> 02:32:26,080
but but snatch I think was the the big

3150
02:32:29,010 --> 02:32:28,090
one universally I feel like Guy Ritchie

3151
02:32:30,269 --> 02:32:29,020
would be listening to

3152
02:32:32,040 --> 02:32:30,279
well he's not you know I probably had

3153
02:32:33,960 --> 02:32:32,050
listened to me and Justin but the

3154
02:32:36,990 --> 02:32:33,970
listeners being like yeah yeah yeah we

3155
02:32:40,229 --> 02:32:37,000
know II know guys we need to we also

3156
02:32:40,979 --> 02:32:40,239
need to remember sting is in his first

3157
02:32:43,349 --> 02:32:40,989
movie

3158
02:32:45,450 --> 02:32:43,359
what sting is in Los Angeles a girl he

3159
02:32:48,360 --> 02:32:45,460
passed English he plays the main

3160
02:32:50,160 --> 02:32:48,370
characters dad who owns the pub yeah

3161
02:32:52,740 --> 02:32:50,170
that's right that's right that's right

3162
02:32:56,429 --> 02:32:52,750
that's right he's correct it was and you

3163
02:32:58,889 --> 02:32:56,439
so he was like he was bending like that

3164
02:33:01,530 --> 02:32:58,899
wasn't just like oh that's that guy

3165
02:33:04,679 --> 02:33:01,540
became the sting you can argue he wasn't

3166
02:33:08,849 --> 02:33:04,689
it after he was sting that's great but

3167
02:33:13,080 --> 02:33:08,859
if you go back and and and trip on this

3168
02:33:15,240 --> 02:33:13,090
for a second Gerard Butler Tom Wilkinson

3169
02:33:17,940 --> 02:33:15,250
and Tom Wilkinson up to that point

3170
02:33:21,420 --> 02:33:17,950
character stuff Tom Wilkinson has gone

3171
02:33:23,969 --> 02:33:21,430
on to hugely successful films I think it

3172
02:33:27,450 --> 02:33:23,979
all stems off of what he did in rock and

3173
02:33:30,000 --> 02:33:27,460
Rolla and and and what about Dandy

3174
02:33:32,940 --> 02:33:30,010
Newton you know before rock and roll and

3175
02:33:40,080 --> 02:33:32,950
what was she doing you know Mark Strong

3176
02:33:42,840 --> 02:33:40,090
how about a dress Alva yes he's got one

3177
02:33:45,240 --> 02:33:42,850
of the best roles in you know and and of

3178
02:33:54,240 --> 02:33:45,250
course you know Tom Hardy and you've got

3179
02:33:55,469 --> 02:33:54,250
Tobey Jeremy Piven you know tell me I

3180
02:34:00,210 --> 02:33:55,479
want to go to people it's like tell me

3181
02:34:05,130 --> 02:34:00,220
the movie that has OVA Tom Hardy Gerard

3182
02:34:08,670 --> 02:34:05,140
Butler Toby Kebbell Tom Wilkinson mark

3183
02:34:11,610 --> 02:34:08,680
Strong there's more there's more in his

3184
02:34:13,170 --> 02:34:11,620
first movie featured sting baby egg what

3185
02:34:16,019 --> 02:34:13,180
the hell are you talking about

3186
02:34:25,440 --> 02:34:16,029
and it was Tom Cruise's first starring

3187
02:34:26,550 --> 02:34:25,450
role for the endless or something but I

3188
02:34:27,269 --> 02:34:26,560
feel like everyone needs to go watch

3189
02:34:28,610 --> 02:34:27,279
rock and roll up

3190
02:34:31,341 --> 02:34:28,620
we know I know I know

3191
02:34:34,520 --> 02:34:31,351
I'm gonna throw this out there and as

3192
02:34:37,880 --> 02:34:34,530
crazy as this might sound because with

3193
02:34:41,660 --> 02:34:37,890
with snatch and and rock and Rolla under

3194
02:34:45,860 --> 02:34:41,670
his belt but I'm gonna just say this The

3195
02:34:47,450 --> 02:34:45,870
Man From UNCLE was a masterpiece people

3196
02:34:50,780 --> 02:34:47,460
say that I haven't seen it

3197
02:34:53,360 --> 02:34:50,790
III have seen it I masterpiece isn't the

3198
02:34:55,460 --> 02:34:53,370
word but it is very good very good

3199
02:34:57,051 --> 02:34:55,470
it is very good but there's nothing

3200
02:34:59,900 --> 02:34:57,061
wrong with that movie it's just that

3201
02:35:02,990 --> 02:34:59,910
that director's masterpiece already is

3202
02:35:05,750 --> 02:35:03,000
his debate right right yeah and I'm

3203
02:35:10,580 --> 02:35:05,760
comfortable with saying that yeah in

3204
02:35:12,920 --> 02:35:10,590
that the when when it from the first of

3205
02:35:17,720 --> 02:35:12,930
the film when it first kicks off and as

3206
02:35:19,100 --> 02:35:17,730
it starts to complete itself that you

3207
02:35:23,570 --> 02:35:19,110
start to understand that this is a

3208
02:35:26,210 --> 02:35:23,580
really great film and a remake of The

3209
02:35:28,430 --> 02:35:26,220
Man From UNCLE how good can it be I

3210
02:35:32,670 --> 02:35:28,440
looked the Sherlock Holmes stuff I was

3211
02:35:38,110 --> 02:35:35,100
[Applause]

3212
02:35:41,770 --> 02:35:38,120
okay you know but my standards from guy

3213
02:35:43,420 --> 02:35:41,780
are very very very high you know when

3214
02:35:46,090 --> 02:35:43,430
you go and you make a movie like snatch

3215
02:35:48,190 --> 02:35:46,100
and you make a movie like rock and roll

3216
02:35:51,160 --> 02:35:48,200
oh where do you take it from there

3217
02:35:52,720 --> 02:35:51,170
because it's got to be damn good right

3218
02:35:55,240 --> 02:35:52,730
and so that's what it was I don't think

3219
02:35:57,700 --> 02:35:55,250
sir Locke Holmes was was up there for me

3220
02:36:00,430 --> 02:35:57,710
it was okay if he hadn't have made rock

3221
02:36:03,310 --> 02:36:00,440
and Rolla okay I might look at it a bit

3222
02:36:05,020 --> 02:36:03,320
differently but the Man From UNCLE I

3223
02:36:08,260 --> 02:36:05,030
think it's up there man I think it holds

3224
02:36:10,930 --> 02:36:08,270
water yeah you bring up a good point but

3225
02:36:13,600 --> 02:36:10,940
you also just reminded me that if any

3226
02:36:14,980 --> 02:36:13,610
point Guy Ritchie is like I guess I got

3227
02:36:17,680 --> 02:36:14,990
to go make another you I gotta make a

3228
02:36:20,380 --> 02:36:17,690
London gangster movie when he decides to

3229
02:36:22,390 --> 02:36:20,390
do that he will make again the best

3230
02:36:24,700 --> 02:36:22,400
London gangster movie ever made no

3231
02:36:27,220 --> 02:36:24,710
question he'll take everything walk

3232
02:36:31,060 --> 02:36:27,230
stocks match and rock and roll and to a

3233
02:36:33,760 --> 02:36:31,070
lesser extent what is the one oh yeah

3234
02:36:36,010 --> 02:36:33,770
well yeah

3235
02:36:38,170 --> 02:36:36,020
and just remember Jason Statham pushing

3236
02:36:47,020 --> 02:36:38,180
past champion by the way Jason Statham

3237
02:36:49,300 --> 02:36:47,030
we kid we forgot that oh yeah the one

3238
02:36:51,130 --> 02:36:49,310
where he's in jail and he pushes he

3239
02:36:52,120 --> 02:36:51,140
pushes chess pieces around we can't

3240
02:36:55,660 --> 02:36:52,130
remember what it's called for some

3241
02:36:57,580 --> 02:36:55,670
reason revolver who work Oliver yeah

3242
02:37:00,490 --> 02:36:57,590
but anyhow when he makes his fifth

3243
02:37:02,050 --> 02:37:00,500
London gangster movie it's going to it's

3244
02:37:03,970 --> 02:37:02,060
got to be like that that's like the

3245
02:37:05,950 --> 02:37:03,980
closest you get to like an indie film

3246
02:37:09,520 --> 02:37:05,960
event if you want to call him anything

3247
02:37:11,470 --> 02:37:09,530
that's somebody said hey we need someone

3248
02:37:19,300 --> 02:37:11,480
to make like a London crime movie it's

3249
02:37:21,970 --> 02:37:19,310
called Sherlock Holmes well he did

3250
02:37:24,520 --> 02:37:21,980
pretty good with King Arthur last year

3251
02:37:26,620 --> 02:37:24,530
III thought that was okay yeah I'm

3252
02:37:29,170 --> 02:37:26,630
ashamed to say I didn't see it because I

3253
02:37:30,400 --> 02:37:29,180
I watched pretty obviously I mean we're

3254
02:37:33,430 --> 02:37:30,410
having this conversation I've watched

3255
02:37:34,480 --> 02:37:33,440
almost everything he's made it's one of

3256
02:37:37,120 --> 02:37:34,490
those that's one those movie that's like

3257
02:37:39,100 --> 02:37:37,130
really panned by everyone I watched it

3258
02:37:40,300 --> 02:37:39,110
on a play and I was like I don't it's

3259
02:37:42,330 --> 02:37:40,310
not my favorite thing in the world I

3260
02:37:45,570 --> 02:37:42,340
don't think it's a bad news Oh

3261
02:37:46,830 --> 02:37:45,580
about at all yeah I I didn't I and

3262
02:37:49,380 --> 02:37:46,840
there's a weird thing to where I have a

3263
02:37:51,780 --> 02:37:49,390
hard time with was like really really

3264
02:37:54,389 --> 02:37:51,790
big budget pop like popcorn Hollywood

3265
02:37:56,460 --> 02:37:54,399
film it's like yeah there's like there's

3266
02:37:59,730 --> 02:37:56,470
like a template you use and and they all

3267
02:38:03,030 --> 02:37:59,740
use it but I don't know I couldn't tell

3268
02:38:12,270 --> 02:38:03,040
you why King Arthur is so poorly

3269
02:38:13,740 --> 02:38:12,280
received and and Captain America is like

3270
02:38:15,120 --> 02:38:13,750
I just wouldn't know I don't know you

3271
02:38:17,429 --> 02:38:15,130
know I guess I look they seem of

3272
02:38:18,929 --> 02:38:17,439
equivalent entertainment value yeah

3273
02:38:22,139 --> 02:38:18,939
they're like entertaining movies and

3274
02:38:24,599 --> 02:38:22,149
they all the template and and they they

3275
02:38:28,349 --> 02:38:24,609
do it well and yeah I couldn't really

3276
02:38:30,630 --> 02:38:28,359
say why why one gets sort of yeah well

3277
02:38:34,920 --> 02:38:30,640
speaking of you know like I Richie and

3278
02:38:37,770 --> 02:38:34,930
and Tarantino and and you know somebody

3279
02:38:40,080 --> 02:38:37,780
that we respect who do you guys look up

3280
02:38:42,240 --> 02:38:40,090
to these days because I I'm a big fan of

3281
02:38:44,160 --> 02:38:42,250
Robert Rodriguez too as well I think

3282
02:38:48,719 --> 02:38:44,170
he's he's got an immense amount of

3283
02:38:51,090 --> 02:38:48,729
talent del Toro too as well who do you

3284
02:38:53,820 --> 02:38:51,100
guys look up to these days I mean you

3285
02:38:57,660 --> 02:38:53,830
you mentioned a lot of them but but but

3286
02:38:59,400 --> 02:38:57,670
there's there's also there's also people

3287
02:39:01,560 --> 02:38:59,410
like Steven Soderbergh and the de classe

3288
02:39:04,469 --> 02:39:01,570
brothers who are just getting their

3289
02:39:05,849 --> 02:39:04,479
hands dirty and making a movie and and

3290
02:39:08,040 --> 02:39:05,859
by the way that's not to say that

3291
02:39:12,330 --> 02:39:08,050
Quentin's you know especially rubber

3292
02:39:15,540 --> 02:39:12,340
Rodriguez 'im and del Toro don't but but

3293
02:39:18,270 --> 02:39:15,550
you know Soderbergh is just aggressively

3294
02:39:20,639 --> 02:39:18,280
making film as is the do as are the

3295
02:39:22,380 --> 02:39:20,649
flash brothers and we get a lot of

3296
02:39:25,020 --> 02:39:22,390
inspiration from just just just

3297
02:39:29,940 --> 02:39:25,030
motivation to go to go out and and

3298
02:39:35,190 --> 02:39:29,950
create from them and and then also you

3299
02:39:36,960 --> 02:39:35,200
know tonally they are it's a lot of our

3300
02:39:39,270 --> 02:39:36,970
friends to be honest you hang out with

3301
02:39:42,810 --> 02:39:39,280
them and it's people who make our make a

3302
02:39:44,460 --> 02:39:42,820
living that we just produced a film by

3303
02:39:46,530 --> 02:39:44,470
this guy named Jeremy Gardner who made

3304
02:39:49,020 --> 02:39:46,540
this beautiful film called the battery

3305
02:39:50,880 --> 02:39:49,030
and he co-directed this new film with

3306
02:39:54,570 --> 02:39:50,890
Christian spell it called something else

3307
02:39:55,860 --> 02:39:54,580
and and and they inspire us and I mean

3308
02:40:01,440 --> 02:39:55,870
that truly I don't just

3309
02:40:03,841 --> 02:40:01,450
that because there are buddies and and

3310
02:40:08,820 --> 02:40:03,851
actually like thing denis villeneuve is

3311
02:40:10,530 --> 02:40:08,830
a person who can actually inspire fear

3312
02:40:13,020 --> 02:40:10,540
and I think that that's rare and

3313
02:40:15,870 --> 02:40:13,030
difficult and the key inspires fear in

3314
02:40:18,120 --> 02:40:15,880
his sci-fi which is our favorite kind of

3315
02:40:19,380 --> 02:40:18,130
thing to do and people haven't really

3316
02:40:21,450 --> 02:40:19,390
been doing that much but you know

3317
02:40:23,551 --> 02:40:21,460
annihilation by Alex garland the

3318
02:40:26,190 --> 02:40:23,561
dilation was great

3319
02:40:30,830 --> 02:40:26,200
yes pec-tacular spectacular truly

3320
02:40:33,841 --> 02:40:30,840
terrifying and but but I think that that

3321
02:40:36,150 --> 02:40:33,851
we've been slowly realizing wait we were

3322
02:40:39,210 --> 02:40:36,160
way too slow to realize this that that

3323
02:40:40,320 --> 02:40:39,220
in me in that the quote-unquote you know

3324
02:40:43,560 --> 02:40:40,330
whatever you want to call it the horror

3325
02:40:45,630 --> 02:40:43,570
genre a lot of people's movies are just

3326
02:40:48,180 --> 02:40:45,640
they're fun they're men they're men

3327
02:40:50,310 --> 02:40:48,190
they're meant to be fun and um they are

3328
02:40:52,170 --> 02:40:50,320
classified as horror and they are

3329
02:40:54,660 --> 02:40:52,180
technically following the the tropes of

3330
02:40:58,261 --> 02:40:54,670
horror but but what they are is to

3331
02:41:00,270 --> 02:40:58,271
entertain you and and I do think that

3332
02:41:03,511 --> 02:41:00,280
that art films are designed to be

3333
02:41:05,520 --> 02:41:03,521
interesting but we really really want to

3334
02:41:07,910 --> 02:41:05,530
scare you which we want to truly scare

3335
02:41:10,530 --> 02:41:07,920
you before we want to entertain you and

3336
02:41:13,770 --> 02:41:10,540
and I think that denis villeneuve is a

3337
02:41:15,000 --> 02:41:13,780
really good example of that this day

3338
02:41:17,670 --> 02:41:15,010
makes me you know scary

3339
02:41:19,080 --> 02:41:17,680
yes sicarios are like a drug traffic

3340
02:41:23,280 --> 02:41:19,090
like movies but it's terrifying

3341
02:41:25,560 --> 02:41:23,290
you know and and actually if you have

3342
02:41:28,770 --> 02:41:25,570
you seen the I haven't seen enough of

3343
02:41:31,020 --> 02:41:28,780
all traitors directorial work to make an

3344
02:41:33,030 --> 02:41:31,030
opinion but if you saw first reforms

3345
02:41:34,680 --> 02:41:33,040
this year that that's been a big deal

3346
02:41:37,290 --> 02:41:34,690
for us

3347
02:41:39,750 --> 02:41:37,300
terrifying movie and I think that's it

3348
02:41:43,530 --> 02:41:39,760
is anyone who's making a movie that that

3349
02:41:45,720 --> 02:41:43,540
is open it's funny we vacillate between

3350
02:41:47,280 --> 02:41:45,730
these filmmakers who make ultra

3351
02:41:48,841 --> 02:41:47,290
humanitarian movies like Richard

3352
02:41:51,210 --> 02:41:48,851
Linklater and Lord of the Rings are

3353
02:41:53,310 --> 02:41:51,220
almost famous and and that's where we

3354
02:41:56,091 --> 02:41:53,320
get our human side and then where we get

3355
02:41:59,100 --> 02:41:56,101
our terror side are these super cold

3356
02:42:01,650 --> 02:41:59,110
deeply disturbing movies like first

3357
02:42:05,341 --> 02:42:01,660
reformed killer I kill little amenities

3358
02:42:07,470 --> 02:42:05,351
and David David Lynch he's a he's a

3359
02:42:09,301 --> 02:42:07,480
humanist as well but well you know that

3360
02:42:10,370 --> 02:42:09,311
that's scariest of all David Lynch

3361
02:42:15,350 --> 02:42:10,380
that's

3362
02:42:19,790 --> 02:42:15,360
well there's for me and I'm probably

3363
02:42:23,390 --> 02:42:19,800
speaking for anybody but when you have

3364
02:42:26,690 --> 02:42:23,400
the ability certainly Lynch did it as

3365
02:42:31,010 --> 02:42:26,700
you know as one of the best but when you

3366
02:42:33,140 --> 02:42:31,020
can take the craziest scariest dream

3367
02:42:35,150 --> 02:42:33,150
that you've ever had that you can't

3368
02:42:38,300 --> 02:42:35,160
remember and you wake up and you go mad

3369
02:42:40,670 --> 02:42:38,310
that would have been a great movie but

3370
02:42:45,140 --> 02:42:40,680
you don't remember it but Lynch has the

3371
02:42:49,100 --> 02:42:45,150
ability to incorporate that where where

3372
02:42:51,830 --> 02:42:49,110
you go into the dark places that you

3373
02:42:52,550 --> 02:42:51,840
know in your sleep and he captures that

3374
02:42:54,650 --> 02:42:52,560
on film

3375
02:42:56,660 --> 02:42:54,660
and that's why I think it's so effective

3376
02:42:58,100 --> 02:42:56,670
with everybody and including with myself

3377
02:43:02,750 --> 02:42:58,110
it's just like man he's going into his

3378
02:43:04,220 --> 02:43:02,760
own that that scares me because I only

3379
02:43:08,600 --> 02:43:04,230
do that in my sleep

3380
02:43:11,330 --> 02:43:08,610
Lynch is able to do that I swear I don't

3381
02:43:12,920 --> 02:43:11,340
know how he pulls it off but it does it

3382
02:43:14,720 --> 02:43:12,930
I think he does it with his

3383
02:43:16,940 --> 02:43:14,730
Transcendental Meditation

3384
02:43:19,670 --> 02:43:16,950
I think he's able to cognizant Lee dream

3385
02:43:23,480 --> 02:43:19,680
in a way and it's something I'm very

3386
02:43:25,370 --> 02:43:23,490
jealous of and yeah but we're producing

3387
02:43:27,350 --> 02:43:25,380
a short film this weekend of a friend of

3388
02:43:30,140 --> 02:43:27,360
ours named Pete solola who is actually

3389
02:43:34,070 --> 02:43:30,150
in resolution and the endless as a

3390
02:43:36,290 --> 02:43:34,080
performer and it's based off of a dream

3391
02:43:37,430 --> 02:43:36,300
he had and he just taught over drinks

3392
02:43:40,340 --> 02:43:37,440
one night he's just like yeah I had this

3393
02:43:41,990 --> 02:43:40,350
dream and it was terrifying and now it's

3394
02:43:44,120 --> 02:43:42,000
a movie or it's about to become a movie

3395
02:43:50,030 --> 02:43:44,130
this weekend well what did you think

3396
02:43:53,900 --> 02:43:50,040
about the I don't want to say this

3397
02:43:59,300 --> 02:43:53,910
though Lynch today with the freedom of

3398
02:44:04,520 --> 02:43:59,310
being with Twin Peaks writing and and

3399
02:44:06,770 --> 02:44:04,530
shooting for cable as opposed to network

3400
02:44:10,540 --> 02:44:06,780
television before we had the constraints

3401
02:44:13,700 --> 02:44:10,550
of the FCC and everything else that the

3402
02:44:16,670 --> 02:44:13,710
he really captured the the the

3403
02:44:19,070 --> 02:44:16,680
terrifying parts of dreams in the latest

3404
02:44:21,200 --> 02:44:19,080
version of Twin Peaks where I think he I

3405
02:44:22,001 --> 02:44:21,210
think he effectively really went there

3406
02:44:27,541 --> 02:44:22,011
in a 12

3407
02:44:30,341 --> 02:44:27,551
way yeah troubling you mean them

3408
02:44:32,831 --> 02:44:30,351
do you mean it emotionally troubling amo

3409
02:44:36,461 --> 02:44:32,841
Julie crying psychotic man it's like

3410
02:44:38,530 --> 02:44:36,471
schizophrenic I mean he there were

3411
02:44:40,751 --> 02:44:38,540
episodes that really tried my patience

3412
02:44:44,501 --> 02:44:40,761
right and it was difficult for me

3413
02:44:48,371 --> 02:44:44,511
because as an as a as someone who likes

3414
02:44:53,020 --> 02:44:48,381
to consider themselves an artist with a

3415
02:44:57,100 --> 02:44:53,030
lowercase a by definition of my career

3416
02:44:59,440 --> 02:44:57,110
you know I I want to encourage that kind

3417
02:45:02,350 --> 02:44:59,450
of thing to continually happen but the

3418
02:45:03,940 --> 02:45:02,360
fact is he there he tested everybody's

3419
02:45:08,020 --> 02:45:03,950
patience he probably tested his own

3420
02:45:10,511 --> 02:45:08,030
patients and and so is that weird thing

3421
02:45:14,791 --> 02:45:10,521
where I was like I'm glad that Showtime

3422
02:45:17,921 --> 02:45:14,801
is giving this artist with a capital a

3423
02:45:20,381 --> 02:45:17,931
the screen time and the ability to make

3424
02:45:23,171 --> 02:45:20,391
something that is never ever going to be

3425
02:45:24,850 --> 02:45:23,181
replicated never could be and the the

3426
02:45:29,171 --> 02:45:24,860
eighth episode of that show where they

3427
02:45:30,581 --> 02:45:29,181
explain the origins of Bob well it's one

3428
02:45:34,030 --> 02:45:30,591
of the most important episodes of

3429
02:45:36,070 --> 02:45:34,040
television ever I think that said I

3430
02:45:38,621 --> 02:45:36,080
don't know when I'll rewatch it but I do

3431
02:45:41,801 --> 02:45:38,631
think that that it was extraordinarily

3432
02:45:44,230 --> 02:45:41,811
important that it happened and and I

3433
02:45:46,480 --> 02:45:44,240
think that that we're very lucky that we

3434
02:45:48,701 --> 02:45:46,490
live in an era where people like

3435
02:45:51,820 --> 02:45:48,711
Showtime or or whatever is whatever

3436
02:45:54,881 --> 02:45:51,830
allows that mechanic to happen to happen

3437
02:45:59,980 --> 02:45:54,891
I think that that's incredible I went

3438
02:46:04,331 --> 02:45:59,990
you know I watched all of the Twin Peaks

3439
02:46:07,201 --> 02:46:04,341
version too and I think I did the same

3440
02:46:09,791 --> 02:46:07,211
thing that you did in that I'm done I

3441
02:46:11,530 --> 02:46:09,801
don't want to go back I've got it all

3442
02:46:13,720 --> 02:46:11,540
recorded right it's all just sitting

3443
02:46:15,761 --> 02:46:13,730
there and I can just go and do it and I

3444
02:46:17,650 --> 02:46:15,771
think it's too much it's too much of an

3445
02:46:20,261 --> 02:46:17,660
emotional investment to go through a

3446
02:46:23,461 --> 02:46:20,271
second time I wanted to ask you the same

3447
02:46:25,930 --> 02:46:23,471
things about Kubrick too as well is

3448
02:46:28,301 --> 02:46:25,940
we're talking about modern directors

3449
02:46:33,070 --> 02:46:28,311
today that are still with us but his

3450
02:46:34,871 --> 02:46:33,080
ability to do all of that as well to get

3451
02:46:36,230 --> 02:46:34,881
inside of our heads I think was always

3452
02:46:40,530 --> 02:46:36,240
very effective

3453
02:46:43,110 --> 02:46:40,540
yeah for sure I mean there's there's

3454
02:46:49,230 --> 02:46:43,120
actually there is a very very very short

3455
02:46:55,650 --> 02:46:49,240
list of directors who have truly created

3456
02:46:57,390 --> 02:46:55,660
something that is even too you know a

3457
02:47:00,150 --> 02:46:57,400
modern the overt you've seen everything

3458
02:47:03,900 --> 02:47:00,160
that you can watch the content that they

3459
02:47:07,171 --> 02:47:03,910
created and you are truly to your core

3460
02:47:08,881 --> 02:47:07,181
terrified by it and there's and there's

3461
02:47:11,490 --> 02:47:08,891
a line that kind of needs to get drawn

3462
02:47:14,400 --> 02:47:11,500
in terms of like like look when I was a

3463
02:47:16,501 --> 02:47:14,410
little kid and I saw a movie bedhead I

3464
02:47:19,261 --> 02:47:16,511
saw my first haunted house movie in Anna

3465
02:47:21,570 --> 02:47:19,271
jump scares and and I saw a movie that

3466
02:47:23,280 --> 02:47:21,580
had violence in it it frightens me now

3467
02:47:24,720 --> 02:47:23,290
as an adult that jump scares I'm like

3468
02:47:26,280 --> 02:47:24,730
okay I can't appreciate the

3469
02:47:27,511 --> 02:47:26,290
craftsmanship of it and it's not an easy

3470
02:47:30,720 --> 02:47:27,521
thing to do there are directors who do

3471
02:47:33,060 --> 02:47:30,730
it extraordinarily well or I can see a

3472
02:47:34,680 --> 02:47:33,070
piece of violence in the film and be

3473
02:47:36,331 --> 02:47:34,690
like okay that made me not want to look

3474
02:47:39,060 --> 02:47:36,341
at it and it gave me a visceral reaction

3475
02:47:40,950 --> 02:47:39,070
that that's hard to do but there's

3476
02:47:45,390 --> 02:47:40,960
another that there's an upper echelon of

3477
02:47:47,190 --> 02:47:45,400
being scared that is it maybe more maybe

3478
02:47:49,860 --> 02:47:47,200
a better word for it's like Oh unnerved

3479
02:47:52,711 --> 02:47:49,870
dread uneasy that's much harder to

3480
02:47:54,120 --> 02:47:52,721
accomplish and there's only a handful of

3481
02:47:55,921 --> 02:47:54,130
directors who have ever been able to

3482
02:48:01,020 --> 02:47:55,931
truly do that and it's you're right it's

3483
02:48:04,881 --> 02:48:01,030
Kubrick it's David Lynch it's Renkin

3484
02:48:07,620 --> 02:48:04,891
Friedkin yeah but there's not that many

3485
02:48:09,120 --> 02:48:07,630
and you know there's a lot of stuff that

3486
02:48:10,350 --> 02:48:09,130
people remember is like I'm never that

3487
02:48:12,450 --> 02:48:10,360
movie so scary and then you can rewatch

3488
02:48:14,251 --> 02:48:12,460
it and that's like a really Cynthia a

3489
02:48:15,390 --> 02:48:14,261
t-score and the blood doesn't quite look

3490
02:48:17,570 --> 02:48:15,400
right and it's like doesn't mean it's

3491
02:48:19,950 --> 02:48:17,580
bad isn't means like oh you're not Oh

3492
02:48:24,091 --> 02:48:19,960
terrified it's scared as a kid because

3493
02:48:29,400 --> 02:48:24,101
everything scares children what was that

3494
02:48:31,551 --> 02:48:29,410
Stephen King the graveyard with the

3495
02:48:33,900 --> 02:48:31,561
animals what was that called

3496
02:48:36,961 --> 02:48:33,910
yeah Pet Sematary that's what it's

3497
02:48:39,930 --> 02:48:36,971
called the graveyard with the animals so

3498
02:48:42,950 --> 02:48:39,940
I went back like ten years ago maybe 15

3499
02:48:45,660 --> 02:48:42,960
years ago and watch that again I swear

3500
02:48:48,480 --> 02:48:45,670
comedy it's a comedy

3501
02:48:51,120 --> 02:48:48,490
[Laughter]

3502
02:48:53,131 --> 02:48:51,130
I remember being so scared from that at

3503
02:48:55,200 --> 02:48:53,141
my friend's talking about how scary that

3504
02:48:59,220 --> 02:48:55,210
movie was and I watched it again

3505
02:49:02,730 --> 02:48:59,230
and it was it was like well crafted a

3506
02:49:05,970 --> 02:49:02,740
sketch comedy what are the scariest

3507
02:49:07,470 --> 02:49:05,980
things I saw as a child was Zelda not

3508
02:49:09,660 --> 02:49:07,480
the video game I loved their game that

3509
02:49:11,280 --> 02:49:09,670
was Elda that the sister with which she

3510
02:49:13,790 --> 02:49:11,290
like spinal meningitis the sister and

3511
02:49:15,900 --> 02:49:13,800
Pet Sematary the original yes yes

3512
02:49:19,591 --> 02:49:15,910
scariest images I had seen when I was a

3513
02:49:22,320 --> 02:49:19,601
child was her suffering on that bed I

3514
02:49:24,690 --> 02:49:22,330
it was so unnerving don't tell me it

3515
02:49:32,551 --> 02:49:24,700
doesn't work anymore even if you do I'm

3516
02:49:34,680 --> 02:49:32,561
gonna thank you too for this

3517
02:49:38,430 --> 02:49:34,690
conversation tonight it's just

3518
02:49:40,341 --> 02:49:38,440
absolutely a believable in and the

3519
02:49:42,390 --> 02:49:40,351
endless is just a tremendous film

3520
02:49:44,881 --> 02:49:42,400
congratulations on that

3521
02:49:48,631 --> 02:49:44,891
your future is just so bright and

3522
02:49:51,570 --> 02:49:48,641
hopefully I can just ride along with it

3523
02:49:52,890 --> 02:49:51,580
with you guys and and enjoy all of the

3524
02:49:55,051 --> 02:49:52,900
work that you guys are gonna do in the

3525
02:50:00,810 --> 02:49:55,061
future thank you so much and get a

3526
02:50:03,511 --> 02:50:00,820
website we've got we've got a Twitter

3527
02:50:05,430 --> 02:50:03,521
and an Instagram and that worked well

3528
02:50:07,440 --> 02:50:05,440
for us if you if you if anybody that's

3529
02:50:07,950 --> 02:50:07,450
listening feels like interacting with us

3530
02:50:10,591 --> 02:50:07,960
idiots

3531
02:50:13,650 --> 02:50:10,601
it's just our names adder and more than

3532
02:50:16,350 --> 02:50:13,660
that justin h benson thank you thank you

3533
02:50:18,540 --> 02:50:16,360
thank you so much and I can't wait to

3534
02:50:20,970 --> 02:50:18,550
get you back on and I don't want to do

3535
02:50:23,490 --> 02:50:20,980
any spoiler alerts but we do have some

3536
02:50:24,570 --> 02:50:23,500
stuff planned in the future with the

3537
02:50:26,040 --> 02:50:24,580
both of you and I'll make those

3538
02:50:28,830 --> 02:50:26,050
announcements over the next couple of

3539
02:50:32,040 --> 02:50:28,840
weeks okay thank you guys so much thank

3540
02:50:36,780 --> 02:50:32,050
you absolutely fantastic conversation

3541
02:50:39,390 --> 02:50:36,790
now also Aaron and Justin have created a

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website that I do want you to go check

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out it is called our multiverse Savior

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02:50:46,740 --> 02:50:45,550
org the links to that are over at Jimmy

3545
02:50:49,950 --> 02:50:46,750
Church radio.com

3546
02:50:51,900 --> 02:50:49,960
and I did blow through our network break

3547
02:50:54,270 --> 02:50:51,910
at the bottom of the hour so I've got to

3548
02:50:57,091 --> 02:50:54,280
pay the bills and get this commercial in

3549
02:51:00,270 --> 02:50:57,101
before I say goodnight so I'm gonna do

3550
02:51:04,170 --> 02:51:00,280
that now you can follow both Erin Angie

3551
02:51:07,320 --> 02:51:04,180
it's Erin Moorhead on Twitter and Justin

3552
02:51:09,800 --> 02:51:07,330
H Benson on Twitter we've got everything

3553
02:51:11,790 --> 02:51:09,810
up there right now thank you guys

3554
02:51:13,530 --> 02:51:11,800
amazing conversation

3555
02:51:15,600 --> 02:51:13,540
I'm your host Amy cherish this is fade

3556
02:51:15,780 --> 02:51:15,610
to black I'll be right back to say good

3557
02:51:37,560 --> 02:51:15,790
night

3558
02:51:40,841 --> 02:51:37,570
[Music]

3559
02:51:41,380 --> 02:51:40,851
and you are listening to my boy Jimmy

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this year we've experienced more than

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but remember being a few years younger

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you know your hair was thicker you

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didn't have so many wrinkles that extra

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weight wasn't haunting you and you just

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felt better well we can't turn back the

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clocks and go back 10 or 15 years but

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good your secret will be nature's youth

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and feeling better learn more in order

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it's not a lifestyle we chose we were

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this is KJ CR Jimmy's Hertz radio job

3633
02:55:21,310 --> 02:55:32,990
[Music]

3634
02:55:39,960 --> 02:55:36,719
all right welcome back now I've got to

3635
02:55:41,790 --> 02:55:39,970
get out of here it's fade to black I'm

3636
02:55:44,700 --> 02:55:41,800
gonna church I want to thank Justin

3637
02:55:45,150 --> 02:55:44,710
Benson and Erin Moorhead creators of the

3638
02:55:47,490 --> 02:55:45,160
film

3639
02:55:50,150 --> 02:55:47,500
and the endless and you can go it is

3640
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streaming and you can find it on Amazon

3641
02:55:57,450 --> 02:55:52,930
it's a right there I think it's on

3642
02:56:00,450 --> 02:55:57,460
Netflix too as well both and you can go

3643
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and and watch it it is an amazing film

3644
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and before I get out of here I want to

3645
02:56:08,490 --> 02:56:05,590
remind everybody to go and sign up for a

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gathering dot-com we've got just a few

3648
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tickets left and then that's it we will

3649
02:56:21,000 --> 02:56:18,040
be shutting it down soul tech gathering

3650
02:56:23,939 --> 02:56:21,010
dot-com we will have james gilliland

3651
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Jason quit Matthew Ryan Mikayla Sheldon

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John lund Dana Harvey Billy Carson Laura

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Cantu and Christine Cantini

3655
02:56:38,070 --> 02:56:36,010
teaching all weekend long we've got a

3656
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bunch of really cool events set up and

3657
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you just go to Seoul Tech a gathering

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dot-com and I just can't wait that as

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August 9th through the 12th up at E SETI

3660
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ranch and with that I'm gonna get out of

3661
02:56:54,210 --> 02:56:52,270
here tomorrow night is another fainter

3662
02:56:58,139 --> 02:56:54,220
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3663
02:57:01,130 --> 02:56:58,149
featuring the return of Jon Rappoport

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02:57:04,500 --> 02:57:01,140
and his no more fake newsroom live

3665
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followed by open lines all night long

3666
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to copy to use anywhere the known

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universe without written permission from

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3679
02:57:45,890 --> 02:57:43,380
Network

3680
02:57:49,940 --> 02:57:45,900
I'm your Jimmy Church follow me on

3681
02:57:53,060 --> 02:57:49,950
Twitter at JDO until tomorrow night

3682
02:57:56,540 --> 02:57:53,070
theater nights I want everybody to be

3683
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saved go back Lee taffy